recoil reduction for wife

My wife has a 1640 in 30/06. She has about 15+lbs on your wife so take this with a grain of salt. I cut the stock down for her and added a ghetto cheek riser made from a blue closed cell foam sleeping pad and copious amounts of hockey tape as well as a fat limbsaver recoil pad. She has been able to put 2 boxes of Remington reduced recoil loads down range in one session from the bench. I also make sure she is using muffs and plugs for hearing protection as I believe that the noise and muzzle blast greatly increase "felt recoil". In the future I plan on loading 130 grn Barnse ttsx/tsx for the rifle and her.

Best wishes and it's nice to see another cgn'r whose wife goes afield.

Fuzzy
 
All of the above is good info, but nobody has mentioned 'gun fitting'.

Exactly. Suitable cartridge and proper fit go a long way. I wouldn't go with an '06 if the 7mm-08 hurts her already. She'll never shoot it well enough to learn to deal with the recoil. A much better bet is to find something that weighs a little more, fits a lot better and tailor some handloads for her level of ability.
 
Exactly. Suitable cartridge and proper fit go a long way. I wouldn't go with an '06 if the 7mm-08 hurts her already. She'll never shoot it well enough to learn to deal with the recoil. A much better bet is to find something that weighs a little more, fits a lot better and tailor some handloads for her level of ability.


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Cartridge selection might mean she won't be carrying a cannon, but you don't need one anyway.
 
I thank everyone for your help. I think the obvious aspect that I was overlooking is the fit of the gun. I had of course intended to cut down the length of pull; but had not thought much beyond that.

Narrowing down the search, Mary (and I) prefer wood stocked rifles. Mary prefers no checkering. Pretty sure we want a bolt action. We want a practical, relatively light, and short, handy rifle and not scoped.

We spend quite a bit of time in cabins or wall tents, and likely will be spending a lot more time out in the future. The rifle will initially be just a back up in case a bear shows up while I am out, and then possibly for moose and sheep.

Don't try and find a gun for her to use in camp for bear defense. She can't shoot anything that's going to do one bit of good.... Quite the opposite, in fact.

Bear spray. Just get her a $40 can of bear spray.

As for the rest, maybe she should stick to hunting animals that can reliably be killed by slow moving tiny bullets?

Perhaps if pistol caliber rounds out of a lever gun have "too much recoil", hunting big game is not the right direction to go in?

She might be just as happy simply going along on the trip.
 
I bought my wife a Husky 1640 Carbine in .30/06, which is light weight, and has a 21" light contour barrel. The LOP is cut to 12" which is a hair short for her, but at the same time its nearly perfect when she's wearing a parka, and the butt has a Decelerator recoil pad. I tried to get her used to a 1.75-6X Leupold, but she didn't like the wobbly sight picture, so the rifle has a high Weaver XS ghost ring, and a Ruger barrel band front sight base fitted with a rectangular post. If you are getting your wife to shoot a scoped rifle, be sure she has enough eye relief so that she won't get hit by the ocular. Originally I had mounted a sling swivel ahead of the floorplate to accommodate a 3 point Ching Sling, but I cut it off when I discovered the Safari Ching Sling which attaches to the rifle conventionally.

I began loading 125 gr bullets at 2600 fps, which with a light load of 3031, or 4895 is very gentle, in fact my nephew swore they were lighter than my cast bullet loads. I don't normally have 150s on hand so the jump was to 190 gr cast bullets at 1800, then it wasn't long before she was shooting jacketed 180s loaded to 2500. The 180 gr TSXs I loaded for her bear loads make 2700 out of that 21" barrel, and if she has to shoot a bear in a defensive situation, I doubt she'll notice the rifle recoils at all. In practice, from 5 yards, with her back to the target, when I yell bear, she turns towards the target, shoulders the rifle, works the bolt, and fires 2 rounds. She is amazingly quick, and usually puts both rounds in the 1" black.


If you lived close by, I could lend you this rifle and some 125s to see if your wife could manage it, and while I expect she can, its like she has a mental block put up against centerfire rifles. This is one reason why I prefer to start a novice shooter with a gently loaded centerfire at the same time as a .22, whereas if they start with a .22 rimfire, the centerfire becomes an obstacle for some. But rifle fit and a good recoil pad makes up for lots, and a good bullet like a 130 gr TTSX loaded to 2600 fps won't do a bear any good. Hearing protection is a big one too, as many find the blast from a centerfire rifle more intimidating than the recoil. If you teach her to sling up, it will ensure the butt stays tight in her shoulder, so the rifle does't have a chance to take a run at her; one of her problems might be that because she's nervous about the recoil, she doesn't hold the rifle tightly enough in her shoulder. When she shoulders the rifle, once she has a rough sight picture, get her to lower he right elbow, this closes the pocket of the shoulder and protects it from the recoil.

Here's some photos of my wife's rifle being shot by our grandson, who at the time was a small 13 year old . . .




 
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257 Roberts, 250 Savage. If the 270 Savage wasn't almost obsolete, it would have a slight edge... of course in a properly fitted rifle featuring a Limbsaver, recoil should be comfortable for the recoil sensitive yet still launch a projectile with sufficient power to be effective for what you mention. I had a girlfriend that found the recoil of a Ruger 44 carbine to be rough also. If she had married me, I'd have fitted a heavier bolt gun in 250sav to her 5'5", 130lb frame.
 
My plan has been to load the 30/06 to a level somewhat halfway between 30-30 and .308, probably with 150's. I am hoping that the lighter loads matched to a properly fitted stock with a good recoil pad will be suitable. A scope won't be an issue as she prefers shooting with open sights. (I already mounted a scope on her .22 and that didn't last long!) The reason for the 30/06 is I already have all the components, but mainly because I like the Husqvarna's (bad reason) but Mary likes them as well. There are very few potential rifles that I show to her that she likes. They are available for a reasonable price, and I have a couple spare stocks so carving one up is really not an issue. She has shot my .223 quite a bit and enjoys that, and I if I do put a 30/06 together for her I will start with trailboss loads. The bear spray idea mentioned above is a sound idea, but I feel better leaving my family with a rifle as well. I have a friend who exhausted two cans of bear spray over a two hour period on a black bear while waiting for a helicopter. He was not harmed, but he was exhausted! I have another friend/neighbor who was bit in the knee by a bear, not too bad but had to take 2 months of work. I have a neighbor who had a bear push his door in and show up in his living room while he was on the phone (in the middle of the day). I have come home to a bear on my porch, I've been bluff charged by a bear on my lawn, I've treed a problem bear in my yard and waited for the CO's to come and haul him away. I've had bears in my cabin in the bush, I've had one trying to break in while I was sleeping in there. I have many more stories but, bottom line, I like to have a rifle around, gives me a sense of security, and my wife feels the same!
 
I have many more stories but, bottom line, I like to have a rifle around, gives me a sense of security, and my wife feels the same!

A 7-08, light loaded 30-06 or a 6.5x55 vs. a grizzly is a FALSE sense of security.

If your two-can buddy had had a poodle shooter instead of the bear spray, bits of him would be stuck in the southernmost fur of a northbound bear.

If a person has extraordinarily steady nerves, is an excellent snap shooter, has fast, sure hands and carries a very powerful gun, then maybe the gun is the better idea. Maybe.

All tucked up in your sleeping bag is a bad place to try and bring a 32" gun to bear. Spray is 2" long, points easily, and if she accidentally shoots her husband instead of the bear in a panic situation, you don't have to come on CGN and explain your brand new 30 caliber bum hole.
 
A 7-08, light loaded 30-06 or a 6.5x55 vs. a grizzly is a FALSE sense of security.

If your two-can buddy had had a poodle shooter instead of the bear spray, bits of him would be stuck in the southernmost fur of a northbound bear.

If a person has extraordinarily steady nerves, is an excellent snap shooter, has fast, sure hands and carries a very powerful gun, then maybe the gun is the better idea. Maybe.

All tucked up in your sleeping bag is a bad place to try and bring a 32" gun to bear. Spray is 2" long, points easily, and if she accidentally shoots her husband instead of the bear in a panic situation, you don't have to come on CGN and explain your brand new 30 caliber bum hole.

I'd sooner a 6.5X55 loaded with round nose 160s for bear work than pepper spray, particularly in a tent where the stream of spray would leave you debilitated. I hate tents in bear country, and am much happier wrapped in a tarp so I can see in all directions, even if the cost is a bit of discomfort. I have a recurring nightmare about an skinny old polar bear with bad breath, finding me at night in the willows, so I've thought about this at some length. Extraordinarily steady nerves is a bi-product of experience with rifles and big bears, so its a learned behavior not something you're born with. If the little woman was faced with a half ton of bear at 5' distance, I doubt you would have to tell her what to do, and when she does it, she'll feel no recoil, nor hear any muzzle blast, from a full powered .30/06 cartridge. The key is where she puts it, and provided it hits the head behind the eyes, ahead of the ears, and is within the width of the snout, that's the "off switch".
 
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Advice from a drunk archaeologist before bear spray was invented, for what it's worth (nothing).
 
I had an ex-girlfriend who had a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Thought she was the biggest, baddest thing in the world because she could do *katas*. She used to take INSANE risks, and eventually she got into trouble. Illusion of safety.

Spray and pray with OC. If nothing else, it can let you get to your gun. Or your truck.

Keep a clean camp. Kitchen 100 yards from sleeping spot. No smells. Hang your food, toothpaste, soap, etc at the kitchen site. Pack your food outside your pack. Don't wash your clothes in smelly stuff. Follow common sense rules for backcountry bear safety.
 
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A 7-08, light loaded 30-06 or a 6.5x55 vs. a grizzly is a FALSE sense of security.

If your two-can buddy had had a poodle shooter instead of the bear spray, bits of him would be stuck in the southernmost fur of a northbound bear.

If a person has extraordinarily steady nerves, is an excellent snap shooter, has fast, sure hands and carries a very powerful gun, then maybe the gun is the better idea. Maybe.

All tucked up in your sleeping bag is a bad place to try and bring a 32" gun to bear. Spray is 2" long, points easily, and if she accidentally shoots her husband instead of the bear in a panic situation, you don't have to come on CGN and explain your brand new 30 caliber bum hole.

I had an ex-girlfriend who had a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Thought she was the biggest, baddest thing in the world because she could do *katas*. She used to take INSANE risks, and eventually she got into trouble. Illusion of safety.

Spray and pray with OC. If nothing else, it can let you get to your gun. Or your truck.

Keep a clean camp. Kitchen 100 yards from sleeping spot. No smells. Hang your food, toothpaste, soap, etc at the kitchen site. Pack your food outside your pack. Don't wash your clothes in smelly stuff. Follow common sense rules for backcountry bear safety.

You good sir have clearly never been bear sprayed. I have - growing up in Surrey can be rough - and I can tell you after experiencing it first hand I would never rely on it in a situation where I could have a gun instead.

Sure it sucks, but guess what. Its not gonna stop a bear from eating your face. It'll just season you for him. Especially in a closed space like a tent. If you tried to use bear spray there you'd be dooming you and anyone with you.

The only time bear spray MIGHT be useful is when you are out on a hike, and happen upon a bear and want to GTFO.

If you are in your camp and in comes a bear that is aggressive or thinks you have food (or ARE food) all the spray is gonna do is piss him off. And the last thing you wanna deal with is a hungry, aggressive, pissed off bear.


To the OP, if bear is the big concern, maybe a 12ga semi is the right option. Get some Challenger or Brenneke slugs, and see if she can shoot that.
 
I've bear sprayed two bears, one from 4 ft and one from about 15 ft. Neither experience instilled confidence! I have seen many bears shot. Nearly all those events were confidence inspiring. Run-ins with grizzlies around here are far more infrequent experiences than those with black bears. And both species tent to be rather small in our neck of the woods.

PS in my humble and limited experience the max effective range of bear spray (on bears) would not exceed 6 ft and you better be up wind!
 
I've bear sprayed two bears, one from 4 ft and one from about 15 ft. Neither experience instilled confidence! I have seen many bears shot. Nearly all those events were confidence inspiring. Run-ins with grizzlies around here are far more infrequent experiences than those with black bears. And both species tent to be rather small in our neck of the woods.

PS in my humble and limited experience the max effective range of bear spray (on bears) would not exceed 6 ft and you better be up wind!

And we don't always get to choose the ground we fight on.
 
You good sir have clearly never been bear sprayed. I have - growing up in Surrey can be rough - and I can tell you after experiencing it first hand I would never rely on it in a situation where I could have a gun instead.

Sure it sucks, but guess what. Its not gonna stop a bear from eating your face. It'll just season you for him. Especially in a closed space like a tent. If you tried to use bear spray there you'd be dooming you and anyone with you.

The only time bear spray MIGHT be useful is when you are out on a hike, and happen upon a bear and want to GTFO.

If you are in your camp and in comes a bear that is aggressive or thinks you have food (or ARE food) all the spray is gonna do is piss him off. And the last thing you wanna deal with is a hungry, aggressive, pissed off bear.


To the OP, if bear is the big concern, maybe a 12ga semi is the right option. Get some Challenger or Brenneke slugs, and see if she can shoot that.

You, good sir, are drawing conclusions from a false equivalence.

And I think you need to read post #1 if you think a 12 gauge with Brennekes is a good solution.

I've bear sprayed two bears, one from 4 ft and one from about 15 ft. Neither experience instilled confidence! I have seen many bears shot. Nearly all those events were confidence inspiring. Run-ins with grizzlies around here are far more infrequent experiences than those with black bears. And both species tent to be rather small in our neck of the woods.

PS in my humble and limited experience the max effective range of bear spray (on bears) would not exceed 6 ft and you better be up wind!

So, you used the spray twice and it worked both times. What is your point, again?

Wait... Are you a ghost? Posting from beyooooond the graaaaaaaave! :)
 
You, good sir, are drawing conclusions from a false equivalence.

And I think you need to read post #1 if you think a 12 gauge with Brennekes is a good solution.



So, you used the spray twice and it worked both times. What is your point, again?

Wait... Are you a ghost? Posting from beyooooond the graaaaaaaave! :)

You must be trolling....
 
Both times I used bear spray I had a rifle in hand, just in case. They were problem bears I didn't want to shoot, just wanted to put the run on them. They both ended up getting shot. (Not by me).

Anyway I am more looking for advice on fitting my wife to a practical center fire rifle; maybe I shouldn't have brought the 'B' word into the discussion :)
 
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