Recomend A Good Rifle

Brian46 said:
rifle, I just think people out grow them quickly and sell at a loss.
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might out grow my savage 25 shootin it out in .223 but doesn't mean i'd ever sell it
might not even find a load it likes
but never even sell it
nothing like rebarrell like it already got an accutrigger
but never even sell it
one thing
i will enjoy it
shootin is fun and should enjoy the plink when gong gets hit
 
redman said:
(I take it he won't use .223 on deer, which he said he wanted to hunt).
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could you knot use 90 grain bergers???
out of a .243 which may have shot a deer in it's lifetime winchester 95 grain runs 3100 with math could a two two three not work??
would a .243 calibur rifle work as well ??
simmiliar 6mm projectile as mm br??
rebarrel would be fun to do to .308??
I didn't go that root and went .223 and cheap. but paid too much
good luck on your rifle
 
Remington 5R milspec. 24" barrel so it's not too long or heavy, HS synthetic stock, and bead blasted stainless. It'll allow you to target shoot and do some hunting with it if you wanted. Although I wouldn't want to be packing it all day for hunting.

With hunting ammo (165 grain Fusion) I was getting .5-.75 moa at 100 yards. I used this to sight it in. I was pretty happy with the results. With target ammo 168 Federal Gold, Sub .4 MOA. 5 rounds at 100 yards. There's no guarantee that they all shoot like this, but many have had similar results. They are known to shoot sub .5 moa with off the shelf target ammo.

Finding the right ammo for the rifle is extremely important. What I like about the 5R is the fact that you can use off the shelf ammo and get handloaded precision results. Without the handloading.

I have a number of .223 rifles and .308. Overall .308 is my favourite. Especially if there is any wind.

There are lots of good options out there. Check out some at the local gun stores and decide what you like. Remington, Savage, Tikka etc. Find the one with the options that appeal to you.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Remington 5R milspec. 24" barrel so it's not too long or heavy, HS synthetic stock, and bead blasted stainless. It'll allow you to target shoot and do some hunting with it if you wanted. Although I wouldn't want to be packing it all day for hunting.

With hunting ammo (165 grain Fusion) I was getting .5-.75 moa at 100 yards. I used this to sight it in. I was pretty happy with the results. With target ammo 168 Federal Gold, Sub .4 MOA. 5 rounds at 100 yards. There's no guarantee that they all shoot like this, but many have had similar results. They are known to shoot sub .5 moa with off the shelf target ammo.

Finding the right ammo for the rifle is extremely important. What I like about the 5R is the fact that you can use off the shelf ammo and get handloaded precision results. Without the handloading.

I have a number of .223 rifles and .308. Overall .308 is my favourite. Especially if there is any wind.

There are lots of good options out there. Check out some at the local gun stores and decide what you like. Remington, Savage, Tikka etc. Find the one with the options that appeal to you.
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x2, after my LTR, the 5R was my second main rifle purchase, I decided on it after reading the reviews. Every single review I have read indicates that this rifle performs well above its price range
 
NewInWestsyde said:
might out grow my savage 25 shootin it out in .223 but doesn't mean i'd ever sell it
might not even find a load it likes
but never even sell it
nothing like rebarrell like it already got an accutrigger
but never even sell it
one thing
i will enjoy it
shootin is fun and should enjoy the plink when gong gets hit
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this is exactly why I made my post, take the total cost of all that, and apply it to buying a more capable rifle from the start that you don't have to do anything to.
 
warren stevens said:
:)HOW about looking into the REM. 700 25-06 in stainless with 115 grain Partion Bullet over 3000 fps great for distance up to 400 yds. and Target shooting. Light weight for even young women shooters to handle.
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This rifle would be a horrible choice.

Hunting profiles are a bad choice for target shooting generally because their barrels are built to fire a couple of shots at an animal an then cool completely. They heat up wayyy too fast; their barrels are thin and prone to heat warping. 25-06 is a particularly bad choice because it is a brutally overbore cartridge that would be good for less that a thousand accurate rounds, and would over-heat the rifle very rapidly.
 
Thanks for the suggestions, I am on a budget and was looking at $1000 for a max. Obviously I have champagne tastes and draft beer income :) I was raised on the .303 Lee Enfield and have shot most Nato military weapons to Marksman level over the last 45 years. Being partly disabled the hunting is not a big issue, I just want something that might fill a dual purpose role in case I get an opportunity. (wont be running around the woods with it for sure ;-) Havent heard from anyone using the Australian rifle yet, i'm kind of leaning towards that one because of the .303 history. We used a converted .303 to 7.62 as a sniper rifle for a few years in the British forces, but it was quickly replaced with a more modern rifle. Appreciate the advice, will look at each suggestion carefully because I dont want to run out and buy a lemmon. or something that will not be much use to me. Cheers everyone.
 
BTW I think the .308 is probably going to be the overall choice. I have never been much of a .223 fan. (might be good for gophers but could never figure out why the military chose it for combat)
 
DATAM said:
(might be good for gophers but could never figure out why the military chose it for combat)
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For a few reasons:
- Less recoil
- You can carry more rounds since they're lighter
- More "humane" since they're more likely to wound than kill, or so they figured

That having been said, I think the difference between a 1000$ rifle and a 1500$ rifle is worth the wait if you have to save up. Possibly start with iron sights while you save up for a decent scope in the 800$ range and you'll be set.

The .308 is a fine choice, at least in my opinion, and it's the only one I use :) Very general use and low barrel wear, not too expensive either, especially if you relaod and factory match ammo is readily available.
 
DATAM said:
BTW I think the .308 is probably going to be the overall choice. I have never been much of a .223 fan. (might be good for gophers but could never figure out why the military chose it for combat)
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a man after my own heart! I couldn't agree more. The gopher guns came in just before I left. I think the recent scramble for a heavier-hitting AR compatible cartridge underscores some hard-learned lessons.
 
redman said:
For a few reasons:
- Less recoil
- You can carry more rounds since they're lighter
- More "humane" since they're more likely to wound than kill, or so they figured
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Nothing in War is "humane"


The 5.56 beleave it or not does more dammage to internal human organs than a 7.62. that + barrel ware + near no recoil = a good weapon.



To the guy who made this post - ever look at the savage 12fv? you can get em for $600 and they are very much well worth the $. tack driver out the box.
 
AKD said:
Nothing in War is "humane"


The 5.56 beleave it or not does more dammage to internal human organs than a 7.62. that + barrel ware + near no recoil = a good weapon.



To the guy who made this post - ever look at the savage 12fv? you can get em for $600 and they are very much well worth the $. tack driver out the box.
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7.62/.308 has the lights out factor. Especially in a sniper or DM application.

The reasoning as I recall for the 5.56mm was to "wound" the enemy. The theory was for logistics. IE one wounded would tie up two other soldiers trying to assist. There was nothing humane about it. It was simply logistics and war of attrition.

Personally I think the idea stinks. A wounded soldier can still fight and cause casualties. A dead enemy is out of the picture.

Now consider fighting in areas with range, wind or light cover. The .308/7.62mm works better for these conditions. Also when you hit something with a .308 such as center mass it doesn't tumble all around. With .308 There's no tumbling bullet or roll of the dice as to what you're going to hit.
 
DATAM said:
I have never been much of a .223 fan. (might be good for gophers but could never figure out why the military chose it for combat)
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redman said:
For a few reasons:
- Less recoil
- You can carry more rounds since they're lighter
- More "humane" since they're more likely to wound than kill, or so they figured
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And one other good reason :)
Bullet still travel above speed of sound at 500yds. and that is why they went with .223
 
It was usually our guys carrying their wounded, so i think the .223 was a bad idea.

"Never do an enemy a small injury" Machiavelli.

Can't beat a good .303 to avoid that problem ;-) even the Yanks .30 06 was an awesome weapon. Funny how whats old is new again, I even heard the fav pistol is a .45 again.

Was looking at a Savage today with an accutrigger (*sp?) seemed like a very well made firearm. I liked the fluted stainless steel barrel too.. Does Ruger put anything decent out?
 
Well mates, I guess in the end its all about the money or the availability. I have decided that the .308 wins as calibre, and probably go with the Lee Enfield look alike. The Australians know a thing or two about shooting so I cant see them putting out a crappy rifle. Marstar has the price and the scope, so if I dont see anything at the used markets in April (Carp and Perth Gun shows) I shall go for the Marstar deal. (I was not overly impressed when I called them yesterday to ask about seeing the gun, apparently you have to order by mail, sight unseen)
 
DATAM said:
Thanks for the suggestions, I am on a budget and was looking at $1000 for a max.
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FWIW: Remington 700ltr. A little more than you planned to spend, but it is light, reliable and very accurate. Highly regarded and highly recommended.
 
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