Recommend me a 165 grain. REVIVAL!

Reading through this thread has options all over the map. The problem with most of us is we have one, maybe two tags a year to sample our reloading creations. Even then, no two opportunities are the same. Might be wise to piece together Dogleg’s replies from a scientific perspective and head the advice he’s trying to give :)
 
While I have only shot 4 animals with the Swift Scirocco II, and 5 with A-Frames, I can heartily endorse both of them.

I shot a muley buck at 345 yards with a 6mm, 90 grain Scirocco II. It exited, left a toonie size exit. Deer DRT.
My Bull Elk this year was at 425 yards, 220 Grain A-Frame from an 8mm Rem Mag. Exited with a similar size hole.30 feet
and down.

Typical performance from these offerings. Dave.
 
Eagleye said:
While I have only shot 4 animals with the Swift Scirocco II, and 5 with A-Frames, I can heartily endorse both of them.

I shot a muley buck at 345 yards with a 6mm, 90 grain Scirocco II. It exited, left a toonie size exit. Deer DRT.
My Bull Elk this year was at 425 yards, 220 Grain A-Frame from an 8mm Rem Mag. Exited with a similar size hole.30 feet
and down.

Typical performance from these offerings. Dave.
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I got partitions, well, cause you recommend them ;) how many grains do you guys generally drop down on a new lot of powder? Got a few new cans of R-16 for my gun and it's a different lot # off topic I know
 
Eagleye said:
I start 6% below the last load.
The Partitions will be just fine!! Dave.
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We're gonna find out next deer season! I'm putting her in one of my best spots. A little dry strip that goes between 2 swamps connecting dry land. All the deer travel it but she can shoot whatever she wants it'll be her first year out, the majority of us started with a fawn and were proud I wouldn't expect her to be any different. Plus they taste better... but I have killed a couple big old swamp bucks there too so it's anybody's game :cool: if you say the 165 grain partitions exited on a bull moose I'm not too concerned about their ability to blow through a whitetail :d

And 6% really? It can change that much between lots? That's wild! I've went through 2 pounds for my 760 300 savage and didn't work back up, just stayed at the same 45 grains of varget... guess I got lucky?
 
Certain powders concern me more than others, since I have observed quite a difference lot-to-lot with them. [Varget is one of these]
I have some Norma MRP, and it is about as consistent as I have seen. Likewise IMR 7977....very consistent. Dave.
 
Eagleye said:
Certain powders concern me more than others, since I have observed quite a difference lot-to-lot with them. [Varget is one of these]
I have some Norma MRP, and it is about as consistent as I have seen. Likewise IMR 7977....very consistent. Dave.
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Guess next time I get a new can of varget I'll work up from 6% the reloder 16 seems to be very consistent lot to lot I love the stuff and it's been stable in every temperature I've shot it in from +32 to -30 absolutely no change in poi or pressure.

Dogleg said:
MRP is very consistent. That's because the lots that are close, almost good enough to be MRP are labelled RL22. ;)
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I've heard many times rl22 has wild poi and pressure swings with rising and falling temperatures?
 
trapoholic said:
A 150 grain interbond won't exit on a broadside 180 pound deer at 60 yards out of a 300 savage. Deer only went 20 yards though.
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I shot a bull moose at 291 yds with a 165gr Interbond out of my .308. Shot it 2x in the ribs and both exited. On deer, the best bullet I have used for exiting without meat destruction is the TTSX.
 
blargon said:
I shot a bull moose at 291 yds with a 165gr Interbond out of my .308. Shot it 2x in the ribs and both exited. On deer, the best bullet I have used for exiting without meat destruction is the TTSX.
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Keep in mind my 300 savage isn't exactly screaming in the velocity department. The bullet nearly turned itself inside out and tried real hard to come out the other side. I'll see if I can find it I did keep it. Internal damage was pretty impressive.
 
So I bought a box of partitions because I was convinced cause Dave said they existed moose they had to be awesome... cause let's face it, Dave's a epic guy. But I had a box of 165 grain interlocks to find the load and switch over to partitions for deer loads. Skip to today. I've got 20 interlocks loaded in virgin Lapua 308 brass, federal 210 gold medal match primers, 40.5 grains of AR-COMP that shoots 4 shots into one hole C.O.A.L between 2.771-2.777 (that lead tip I tell ya) either way they're all seated the same.

Onto the meat of the story. Curiosity killed the cat, my mother has been saving all her 4 liter milk jugs for me for the last year cause I use em to catch bullets, or disintegrate them either or.

Lined up 6 of them at 25 yards (pretty realistic shot where I'm gonna sit my girlfriend in deer season) but why stop at just 6 water jugs? Let's put a 1/2" piece of solid,petrified pine knot board in front of them for shoulder bone effect.

KABLOOEY! pine board blown into 3 pieces, jug 1-3 are absolute obliterated, jug 4 is split in half, jug 5 is split down the middle on the front, jug 6 is leaking out the front and it just barely broke a crack in the back with the bullet sitting in the bottom.

So it lost 39.9 grains of it's 165 grains of weight, after everything it just plowed through at what might as well be point blank that's effin impressive! So now the brand new box of noslers are gonna be up for sale. Had em long enough to open and look at them then put em on the shelf. Barely expanded to the caneluer Sticking with the interlocks!
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woodlotowner said:
Anyone who says, categorically, that they won't use 'monos' is wasting bandwidth. JMHO
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Anyone who has tracked 3 different deer with same amount of non existent blood, the same 100 plus yards with what should have been max 40 yards to dead deer with broadside hits with wonder mono bullets would also say the same thing.

Also, anybody who feels the need to go through 10 pages just to post such a useless, non constructive opinion as you just did is also, in fact, a waste of bandwidth.

Now carry on little doggy. Spam somebody else with your liberal comments.
 
trapoholic said:
What's your guy's thoughts on this? Accuracy wise. For the sake of not getting banged up in the magazine and feeding ramp. Pictures of a Hornady 165 grain interlock.

Now I'm looking for 308 bullet recommendations for exit wounds, no monos though. Won't use em.
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Just a couple questions.
Why will you not use a monolithic ? And have you ever used them for hunting?
 
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So I bought a box of partitions because I was convinced cause Dave said they existed moose they had to be awesome... cause let's face it, Dave's a epic guy. But I had a box of 165 grain interlocks to find the load and switch over to partitions for deer loads. Skip to today. I've got 20 interlocks loaded in virgin Lapua 308 brass, federal 210 gold medal match primers, 40.5 grains of AR-COMP that shoots 4 shots into one hole C.O.A.L between 2.771-2.777 (that lead tip I tell ya) either way they're all seated the same.

Onto the meat of the story. Curiosity killed the cat, my mother has been saving all her 4 liter milk jugs for me for the last year cause I use em to catch bullets, or disintegrate them either or.

Lined up 6 of them at 25 yards (pretty realistic shot where I'm gonna sit my girlfriend in deer season) but why stop at just 6 water jugs? Let's put a 1/2" piece of solid,petrified pine knot board in front of them for shoulder bone effect.

KABLOOEY! pine board blown into 3 pieces, jug 1-3 are absolute obliterated, jug 4 is split in half, jug 5 is split down the middle on the front, jug 6 is leaking out the front and it just barely broke a crack in the back with the bullet sitting in the bottom.

So it lost 39.9 grains of it's 165 grains of weight, after everything it just plowed through at what might as well be point blank that's effin impressive! So now the brand new box of noslers are gonna be up for sale. Had em long enough to open and look at them then put em on the shelf. Barely expanded to the caneluer Sticking with the interlocks!
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If you hunt lots and enjoy fantastic accuracy with excellent results. I would highly recommend the barnes tsx or ttsx. a 150 grain in your 308 will never let u down . They mushroom nicely into a claw type pattern . the 150 will have the same bc or very close to a 165 lead core . being therefor a bit flatter. its lighter so you get slightly less recoil. I am a hunter way more than i am a target shooter . I use this 150 tssx in my 3006 . they are deadly accurate . and if you get a bit of a bad shot your not grinding up lead into your hamburger witch is a huge bonus as well . You have to always ask yourself ? your bullet lost 39.9 grains of material. half of that at least will be lead fragments. Where did it end up? if you have kids that your feeding you especially dont want them ingesting lead.
All my own opinion , based on at least a couple hundred kills with Barnes bullets. If you have never tried them you should. I promise you you wont be disappointed. Unless of course you shoot an animal in the guts. then you may not get the exit hole you are looking for like you would say out of a ballistic tip ?
 
I also forgot to ad that over the years i have recovered a number of these bullets fom 80 gr 6mm to 180 gr 30 cal . when put back on the scale at home rarely have they shed 5% of there original wt. Here a story alot of you wont like but we all know what happens when your faced with a split second decision . A few year ago when moose hunting in northern BC i came around a corner and there about 150 yards was a huge bull moose . He ran strait away from us at a full gallop down the road . I took my 300wm and shot him dead center in the tail pipe with a 180 gr ttsx as i did not want him jumping the ditch and disapearing into the brush . It knocked him flat on his ass. i did have to finish him off with one behind the ear when we got up to him . Without any exageration and to my surprise we never wasted more than five pounds a meat from that animal . There was no bloodshot ribs . And i never recoverd that bullet or did i find an exit wound. Always wondered what the result would have been with a lead core bullet. not looking to dish anyone for using them . Just thought i would share that .
 
165 NP’s would be my choice in a 308 even at carbine length. I use 140 NP’s in my 6.5x55 over RL22. For heavy bush hunting, heavier bullets will keep a higher energy and push through the thick stuff better than the lighter bullets.

trapoholic said:
I've got it shaved right off flat, I'm gonna test out the accuracy with the Hornady's. If I'm satisfied I'm going to do it with 165 grain nosler partitions. Speaking of partitions, would you guys recommend 150's or 165's out of a carbine 308? Bush ranges 100 yards and less. More in the feet to 75 yard range. Keep in mind shots aren't always perfect, heavy quartering angles at times and 200 plus pound deer aren't uncommon. I'd like 2 holes to bleed from. But I've heard the partitions are the cats pajamas. Will absolutely not use monos
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