Recycling and reworking other peoples reloads.

I appreciate the comments and get it. As indicated in my opening post, I'm likely to just salvage the brass, projectiles and primers and dump the powder. I kinda promised the gun shop owner I'd do that when I bought the stuff. Like I said, the guy who loaded these rounds had a well establish history of blowing up guns - something readily known by the gun shop owner - who is a well respected gunsmith. Also the guy who loaded these rounds coincidently had the initials KB.

I might weight all the 38s just for interest and analyze the contents of the heaviest ones. Do you think that approach would reveal any double throws?
 
I might weight all the 38s just for interest and analyze the contents of the heaviest ones. Do you think that approach would reveal any double throws?

You can try but if there's 2grain variation in the bullets and 2grains variation in the brass it might be really tough to deduce whats going on with a 10grain powder charge.... if it's a 3grain charge there is probably no hope of seperating suspect rounds.
 
I bought some 458 Win Mag cartridges that are supposed to be loaded but not sure because every one the primers punched already when you look at them . How he got so many duds makes me wonder.
 
If it was me and I had a large quantity of rifle rounds to pull, I would save all the 1680 powder, give it a shake, and then do a work up on it, starting below START, just to be sure it was 1680. If there is a pound of powder, I would save it. Once I knew it was 1680, I would then mix it in with all my other 1680.
 
I'm kind of surprised people can sell reloaded ammo at gun shows, not exactly legal without the proper permits.


These cartridges can be picked up at gun shows but often people give them away and they get picked up in estate sales as well.

There are always a few old timers getting out of the game at gun shows and just selling off everything. Some are astute but most are ignorant of the laws or ignore them. Some will say the cartridges aren't to be shot, but for components only.

Then, there are those that get ahold of brand new boxes and stick handloads into them.
 
Box of 6.5 x55 bought at gun show years ago. One cartridge, absolutely identical as the rest, but head stamped 308. It was factory and all 6.5 x55, as if they were switching over a line and stamped a few wrong. Had Reliable gun price tag, so next time across the bridges to Vancouver I showed them. Just walked over and grabbed a box of nice premium 6.5x55 handed it to me. Unfortunately, my credit card took one for the team shortly thereafter.
 
Box of 6.5 x55 bought at gun show years ago. One cartridge, absolutely identical as the rest, but head stamped 308. It was factory and all 6.5 x55, as if they were switching over a line and stamped a few wrong. Had Reliable gun price tag, so next time across the bridges to Vancouver I showed them. Just walked over and grabbed a box of nice premium 6.5x55 handed it to me. Unfortunately, my credit card took one for the team shortly thereafter.

Winchester was bad for that with brass, I've had several bags with a few pieces of wrong head stamps. Never seen it on factory ammo though, but I haven't purchased factory ammo in 20 years.
 
This is slightly off topic but I acquire a bunch of 1975 era Chinese 54R steel cases ammo with 150 grain steel core bullets. I haven't shot any yet but I assume it will be a bit hotter than what I prefer to use for practice. Assuming that the projectiles are .310-.311 (which I plan to check) would removing the 150 grainers and substituting 123 gr .311 steel core pills reduce recoil by a meaningful amount?
 
This is slightly off topic but I acquire a bunch of 1975 era Chinese 54R steel cases ammo with 150 grain steel core bullets. I haven't shot any yet but I assume it will be a bit hotter than what I prefer to use for practice. Assuming that the projectiles are .310-.311 (which I plan to check) would removing the 150 grainers and substituting 123 gr .311 steel core pills reduce recoil by a meaningful amount?

Shoot the 150's first, never found them that bad.
The yellow tip heavy ball was some fierce kicking ####, but some of the most accurate surplus x54 I've shot.
 
It's funny you mention 7.62 x 39. In the last few auctions I have purchased a total of 1200ish brass cases reloads for a grand total of $260. About 700 of them are loaded with hornady interlock spire points and sst's. I have pulled 700 but still have some more from the same lot to pull. So far that has given me just over 2lbs of RL7 :).

I pull every single one and salvage the components. If I can verify the powder it gets reused, if not it goes in the garden. Primers typically get reused and projectiles almost always are reused. This is a massive cost savings, especially when components are a pain to find and the cost has went sky high.
 
It's funny you mention 7.62 x 39. In the last few auctions I have purchased a total of 1200ish brass cases reloads for a grand total of $260. About 700 of them are loaded with hornady interlock spire points and sst's. I have pulled 700 but still have some more from the same lot to pull. So far that has given me just over 2lbs of RL7 :).

I pull every single one and salvage the components. If I can verify the powder it gets reused, if not it goes in the garden. Primers typically get reused and projectiles almost always are reused. This is a massive cost savings, especially when components are a pain to find and the cost has went sky high.

I would like to learn how to ID powder. How do you do that? If I put out a spoon full of 8 different powders here, then three will look the same - I can't tell the difference. I did pull down someone's hand loads - was several visually different powders used - might have been perfectly full of sense to original loader - but was no notes - and I did not know how to ID those powders. So I burned that powder as waste.

Similar with the primers - how to tell one from the other - I do not know how - so all "popped" and made a bang when I fired off the empty cases in the rifle - but if I used them, I would not know what kind to get for next batch (if they worked well) or what kind to NOT get (if they did not work well) - Magnum versus Large Rifle in Federal have different colour showing through flash hole - but I do not know about CCI, RWS, and other primer brands - or other Large Rifle versus Magnum primers. From outside, all look the same to me (except colour - brass versus nickel in some brands - and factory Norma have that little symbol etched on the outside primer face).
 
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I would like to learn how to ID powder. How do you do that? If I put out a spoon full of 8 different powders here, then three will look the same - I can't tell the difference. I did pull down someone's hand loads - was several visually different powders used - might have been perfectly full of sense to original loader - but was no notes - and I did not know how to ID those powders. So I burned that powder as waste.

Similar with the primers - how to tell one from the other - I do not know how - so all "popped" and made a bang when I fired off the empty cases in the rifle - but if I used them, I would not know what kind to get for next batch (if they worked well) or what kind to NOT get (if they did not work well) - Magnum versus Large Rifle in Federal have different colour showing through flash hole - but I do not know about CCI, RWS, and other primer brands - or other Large Rifle versus Magnum primers. From outside, all look the same to me (except colour - brass versus nickel in some brands - and factory Norma have that little symbol etched on the outside primer face).

So as you pointed out it can be very very difficult to ID powder however sometimes you get lucky . If the person left reloading data on cards or the boxes you can compare that powder with a known source. For instance, all of the reloads I got that had hornady interlocks and sst's came from the same guy. All of it was apparently loaded with RL7 as per the load data cards and scribbles on the boxes. I took a few samples and compared it to known RL 7 under a cheap Chinese made microscope. When you look at powder that closely things look totally different and the differences are much more apparent. From that point I will assume it is indeed RL7 and store it in its own container. I will then load it using minimum charge weights and see how it performs. When I come across totally unknown powder I will compare it to what I think it is both with my own eye and a microscope. If I then figure I know what it is I start that slow load process again. If I still can't tell or have any doubt I toss it. I figure I salvage about 50% powder on average. I have about 40 different types of powder on hand to compare. Ball powder is the absolute worst to ID. So much so I usually don't even attempt to.

Primers to be honest are a different breed. Sometimes you can tell the brand and if it's magnum vs non magnum by material color and priming compound color but that's not always correct. I'm my experience, the only time I have actually seen a difference between using the two is when loading magnum revolver calibers with 296. I find that powder needs to be close to max and works best with magnum primers. In all of my load development and testing, I have found very little difference between primers.
 
I would like to learn how to ID powder. How do you do that? If I put out a spoon full of 8 different powders here, then three will look the same - I can't tell the difference. I did pull down someone's hand loads - was several visually different powders used - might have been perfectly full of sense to original loader - but was no notes - and I did not know how to ID those powders. So I burned that powder as waste.

Similar with the primers - how to tell one from the other - I do not know how - so all "popped" and made a bang when I fired off the empty cases in the rifle - but if I used them, I would not know what kind to get for next batch (if they worked well) or what kind to NOT get (if they did not work well) - Magnum versus Large Rifle in Federal have different colour showing through flash hole - but I do not know about CCI, RWS, and other primer brands - or other Large Rifle versus Magnum primers. From outside, all look the same to me (except colour - brass versus nickel in some brands - and factory Norma have that little symbol etched on the outside primer face).

Your questions are good one and are, of course of central importance to this thread. There are lots here who more about this than I - as I have really just recycled my own reloads so far - and have seldom if ever recycled those of others. I consider myself to be very good at the mechanical aspects of taking loads apart and putting the components back together in other loads. I'm a big advocate of using collet bullet pullers where possible and almost never use a kinetic bullet puller - reserving the use of one of those to removing bullets that you can't grip with the collet (like 40 S&W) and those where the bullet would be damaged by a collet puller (i.e., the lead ones).

As for removing primers – in a non-destructive manner – I tried using one of those Lee decapping dies but – at least in my case – that left the primers to free fall into a bin, and they often lost their anvils, as a result of that turmoil. Then, I switched over to a the Frankford Arsenal platinum series hand deprimer that basically is sort of a gun that uses your squeezing power to pop out the primer horizontally, so the impact of the primer into the catch tube isn’t enough to damage the primer. It does a tidy job too – and you can watch TV while you are doing it.



I just use it for one lot of cases at a time, so at least I’m not likely to me mixing recovered, unused primers of different types. That leads me to rely on the type of case the primer came from to suggest the type of primer is involved. In other words, if I pulled the primers out of a whole bunch of 308 cases that I primed awhile back, I naturally assumed that those primers were, in fact, large rifle primers. I get it that, if you were recovering primers from somebody else’s reloads, it's possible that person used large pistol primers – or magnum large rifle primers – in a large rifle case – and all that.

For just that reason, I am careful that if I have any doubts what type of primer the thing is, I only use it in a bolt action rifle. Pistol primers in a rifle aren't going to create any problems unless it is a semi auto with a propensity for doing slam fires – if the primer cups are soft. Conversely, in the real world, I don't think it is a big deal if one unintentionally uses a large rifle primer or even a magnum large rifle primer in a pistol load as long as you are staying under max loading levels – which I always do.

There will, of course, be purists who are ripping their hair out now at the thought of me possibly using a magnum large rifle primer in a 308 case that doesn’t require one etc., but frankly, it's no big deal. People also claim that they can tell one type of beer from another, but having run a pub for a while, I know that after we ran out of Blue and started handing people Canadians – in a plastic cup – no one ever came back and said “hey, I asked for a Blue and you gave me a Canadian.” Then again, as far as I know, OkayShooter never came to our bar when we were doing that.

Distinguishing one type of powder from another is absolutely the most complicated part. This certainly involves the use of deductive reasoning, where I suppose one would start by looking for any notes left by the previous reloader and then reality checking these.

Obviously, it's possible that the note is incorrect. I would look for circumstantial evidence as well. For example, if the guy left a note saying that he had used 26.5 grains of 1680, I would check to see if that load made sense for the cartridge involved. Then, I would examine the powder coming from a bunch of the different reloads and see if, in fact, it was the same as what the guy had indicated in his note. I’d do that by matching the appearance of the unknown powder against some other powder that I knew to be that type (say a bottle of 1680 from a store).

If the appearance test checked out, then I think one should also go ahead and do a density test. The way you would do that is to use some way of dispensing a known volume of the powder – say using one of those Lee powder dippers type powder measures. Then, weigh that volume and match it against the Lee chart that tells you the expected weight for that volume of powder. For example, a 3.1 cc dipper of AA1680 should weight 43.7 grains. If the density check seems to also suggests that the powder is – in fact – that type, then you can apply the scientific axiom of “quod erat demonstrandum”. That principle – when translated from Latin into English – says that “If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck

Finally, when assembling the pulled-down components into a load also respect the other Latin principle at says “probare tua formula apparatu aliorum
 
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I have not been to a bar in at least 7 years. I would never order a Blue or Canadian. I'm a stout person.

Every time I tried to decap a live primer, they popped. They did not fully ignite, but they were damaged.

I'm no purist. I use large pistol primers in pistol powder plinking rifle loads, I'll use small rifle magnum primers instead of regular. Just tweek the load a bit.
 
I have not been to a bar in at least 7 years. I would never order a Blue or Canadian. I'm a stout person.

Every time I tried to decap a live primer, they popped. They did not fully ignite, but they were damaged.

I'm no purist. I use large pistol primers in pistol powder plinking rifle loads, I'll use small rifle magnum primers instead of regular. Just tweek the load a bit.

I've decapped a couple of thousand live LRPs and never had one pop - whether I used a Lee decapping dies or the Frankford Arsenal platinum series hand deprimer. However, 90% of these were removed with the Frankford Arsenal platinum series hand deprimer. It could be more gentle. As I mentioned it doesn't seem to stress the primers enough to cause anvil separation.
 
I've been loading with the same guys for over 40 years and have no problems using their loads. I also custom load for a few guys who want premium or shoot matches. We have a weight tolerance where loads are checked.

Random handgun stuff from auctions ? Don't need it.
 
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