Thanks for the info. Just ordered up a Henry dovetail to pic adapter.
Red Dot on a Lever Rifle
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Thanks for the info. Just ordered up a Henry dovetail to pic adapter.
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Could you narrow down where on their website you found that? Lots of neat stuff on there and I thought I had perused it all, but I don't recall seeing those. I want!
http://skinnersights.com/scope_mounts_31.html
Easy button for light option is O-Light Baldr Mini, affordable and quick detach and compact/lightweight (2.5 oz) can do light, light and laser, or laser only. Rechargeable, just need a USB port somewhere. Another fine option but pricy are Streamlight TLR-7 light only or TLR-8 light/laser which has lockout, uses surefire light battery cr123, but not quick detach. The TLR's same weight 2.5 oz.
For reflex type lightweight low mounting pistol slide type sights look at anything Holosun with the Solar, 407c, 507c and get it on the rail mount. They are also 2.5 oz. They say 2 moa dot but if mount closer to your face than pistol eye relief distance the dot will be bigger. I have a 507c green on a bolt action rifle on a 3 slot rail on front ring mount location of the action and it translated the dot to about 3.8 moa size. Ideal for most work. Just something to keep in mind. I wish the dot manufacturers would list dot size at different eye reliefs we could commonly put them at (rifle, pistol) etc. The Holosun Solar do not need a battery either, but it has one, they function in daylight without and will only use some battery juice if solar isn't providing enough so battery life is hugemungous. They have shake awake auto brightness mode which is the ultimate defence setting but you can choose manual and lockout on manual mode also, which is nice for dimming dot for zeroing and removing any starburst effect. It could come in handy from a blind also as it may dim to blind but it's brighter outside blind so manual mode would be the ticket. Very happy with the little 507c green on one of my rifles and couple 407c's on some rimfire fun guns.
So a 507c and Baldr Mini add a total of 5 oz to a rifle, not including any rails, both low profile. You can mount each on a single to 3 slot 0.5 oz rail if guns don't have rails. So one more ounce for rails. You guys have some heavy bulky gear strapped onto some pretty sweet little stompers.
The above set up has a Burris steel 3 slot extended front rail for the Holosun 507c green (total for both is 3.0 oz) and the single take off a rimfire aluminum single slot rail with O-Light Baldr Mini together is also 3.0 oz. For grand total of 6 oz added to bare rifle including rails that weren't there to begin with. The light you can take on or off as needed for hunt mode to defence mode.
The dot size on this 2 moa dot with that short eye relief is 3.8 moa, can hunt or defend no prob. If dot fits inside kill zone just pull trigger, almost a built in rangefinder as it covers about 10" at 250 yards and bullet doesn't drop out of the dot until about 260 yards with this 18.5" 6.5 Grendel and 123gr eld-m factory ammo around 2400 fps zero'd at 200.
For reflex type lightweight low mounting pistol slide type sights look at anything Holosun with the Solar, 407c, 507c and get it on the rail mount. They are also 2.5 oz. They say 2 moa dot but if mount closer to your face than pistol eye relief distance the dot will be bigger. I have a 507c green on a bolt action rifle on a 3 slot rail on front ring mount location of the action and it translated the dot to about 3.8 moa size. Ideal for most work. Just something to keep in mind. I wish the dot manufacturers would list dot size at different eye reliefs we could commonly put them at (rifle, pistol) etc. The Holosun Solar do not need a battery either, but it has one, they function in daylight without and will only use some battery juice if solar isn't providing enough so battery life is hugemungous. They have shake awake auto brightness mode which is the ultimate defence setting but you can choose manual and lockout on manual mode also, which is nice for dimming dot for zeroing and removing any starburst effect. It could come in handy from a blind also as it may dim to blind but it's brighter outside blind so manual mode would be the ticket. Very happy with the little 507c green on one of my rifles and couple 407c's on some rimfire fun guns.
So a 507c and Baldr Mini add a total of 5 oz to a rifle, not including any rails, both low profile. You can mount each on a single to 3 slot 0.5 oz rail if guns don't have rails. So one more ounce for rails. You guys have some heavy bulky gear strapped onto some pretty sweet little stompers.
The above set up has a Burris steel 3 slot extended front rail for the Holosun 507c green (total for both is 3.0 oz) and the single take off a rimfire aluminum single slot rail with O-Light Baldr Mini together is also 3.0 oz. For grand total of 6 oz added to bare rifle including rails that weren't there to begin with. The light you can take on or off as needed for hunt mode to defence mode.
The dot size on this 2 moa dot with that short eye relief is 3.8 moa, can hunt or defend no prob. If dot fits inside kill zone just pull trigger, almost a built in rangefinder as it covers about 10" at 250 yards and bullet doesn't drop out of the dot until about 260 yards with this 18.5" 6.5 Grendel and 123gr eld-m factory ammo around 2400 fps zero'd at 200.
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there needs to be more options like this going forward for more than just pc carbines and lever guns, a lot will prefer the red dot over irons and appears even in defence pistol world it is confirmed these dots are the more effective faster option due to having 360 degree view of the target and speed they can get you on target, click link below, this is tandemkross plate for ruger pc9, rear sight replacement plate, brilliant, mirror pistol eye reliefs for reflex sights and keep it low for natural cheek alignment
https://www.tandemkross.com/assets/images/product-shadow_mount-ruger-pc_carbine-installed-side-black.jpg
so the pistol reflex and red dots are excellent and technology with fibre optic (Trijicon) and solar (Holosun) is there to have batter free options for those who prefer that ability
I think rifle manufacturers going forward could start considering a rear iron sight base option for plates for rails or direct plate mount reflex red dots. As that location will mimic pistol eye reliefs and keep dot sizes true to advertised.
It wouldn't take much to offer a standard base or even two or three screw holes in barrel with filler screws so one could buy the plate adapter so they could run pistol reflex sights on any rifle they choose. Standardize that and the distance those screws would be mounted from where the eye would be positioned on stock and the whole industry could get on board. No iron sights? No prob, grab the base, screw it on the barrel...and you have your 21st century alternative to no magnification speed option. You want these low for proper cheek weld on stock, you want dot same height off barrel as your scope, or typical iron sights, a lot of red dots/mounts push them way too high. Hopefully we see more of this sort of development in the future.
https://www.tandemkross.com/assets/images/product-shadow_mount-ruger-pc_carbine-installed-side-black.jpg
so the pistol reflex and red dots are excellent and technology with fibre optic (Trijicon) and solar (Holosun) is there to have batter free options for those who prefer that ability
I think rifle manufacturers going forward could start considering a rear iron sight base option for plates for rails or direct plate mount reflex red dots. As that location will mimic pistol eye reliefs and keep dot sizes true to advertised.
It wouldn't take much to offer a standard base or even two or three screw holes in barrel with filler screws so one could buy the plate adapter so they could run pistol reflex sights on any rifle they choose. Standardize that and the distance those screws would be mounted from where the eye would be positioned on stock and the whole industry could get on board. No iron sights? No prob, grab the base, screw it on the barrel...and you have your 21st century alternative to no magnification speed option. You want these low for proper cheek weld on stock, you want dot same height off barrel as your scope, or typical iron sights, a lot of red dots/mounts push them way too high. Hopefully we see more of this sort of development in the future.
Thanks! Yes, I saw that one, but I am still hoping for one that mounts to the rear sight dovetail and allows for very low direct mounting...now pic rail + associated clamp to add height.
This ^ is what I am hoping for; it would be perfect. Definitely would keep a lot of older pairs of eyes in the game without forcing them to resort to relatively-much-bulkier scopes.
I put a Vortex Strikefire II on my 1894 44Mag, love it...red dots are starburst to me, the Strikefire is changeable to green or red and the green works excellent with my stigmatism
Sorry, sorry, this is totally me being pedantic, but it is ASTIGMATISM, not, a stigmatism. And yes, I have it too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astigmatism
And to stay on topic, I have had difficulty with the small micro red dot sights, mounted way forward on the barrel. I also find a more conventional rifle type red dot sight to be big and clunky on my svelte Rossi R92. I gravitated towards a more open red dot with a larger lens. Personally I think something like a C-More sight would be the best for a tactical lever action.
^^ Looks like a 3/8" dovetail
dovetail to pic rail adapter:
https://www.ncstar.com/optics-acc/mounts/other-firearm-mounts/mad38ps-mnt38-to-pic-adp
or
Skip the dovetail to pic rail adapter and get a:
https://www.airgunsource.ca/us/hawke-vantage-red-dot-1x20-9-11mm-dovetail.html
dovetail to pic rail adapter:
https://www.ncstar.com/optics-acc/mounts/other-firearm-mounts/mad38ps-mnt38-to-pic-adp
or
Skip the dovetail to pic rail adapter and get a:
https://www.airgunsource.ca/us/hawke-vantage-red-dot-1x20-9-11mm-dovetail.html
Yeah, it's a great size regardless where it mounts on the rifle, wouldn't want less for a sporting or defence use dot. For under 50 yard rigs 3-6 moa would work great also. I shot my 2 moa at 206 yards the other day and held moa group on my 15" gong and dot actually almost 4 moa due to being mounted much closer to my face than pistol hold, so it covered half the gong at that distance, 7.5-8" circle. It will be surprisingly effective to mpbr of that rifle which is similar in trajectory to 308 so about 250 yard mpbr.
I probably geek out over the dot stuff a bit too much but if want true multi-purpose I wanted to understand my 2 moa set up vs iron sights and capabilities of guys who shoot irons/dots (military/competitions etc.) where the average mans capabilities fall off and sounds like it's 200 for some, most are comfortable (those man size targets they use) to 300 and some with great eyes quite confident to 400. I don't know what a typical front dot from iron sight covers on a target at 100 yards but I was able to see what my choice is and I'm sure it's bigger than a front iron but don't know really.
So my 2 moa nearly doubled in size with how close I mounted it to my face. To get people thinking about it I'll just use that for ease of quick math, mine is about 3.75 or 3.8 moa so will call it 4 moa with the short eye relief position. So at 100 yards it covers 4", at 50 yards it covers 2" and at 25 yards it covers 1"....at 12.5 yards it covers 1/2".
Mine also comes with 3 reticle choices, 2 moa dot only, 2 moa dot with 65 moa circle around it, or just the 65 moa circle. So for straight defence set up the dot/circle reticle would be the choice. The dot/circle reticle is like plastering a giant bullseye on the targets in close. It would be hard to miss with it and it would be hard not to find it in your eyes instantly.
I have been shooting for 40 years but I am a newbie to lever guns and thanks to this thread I purchased a Henry dovetail to pic rail adapter and installed it yesterday on my wife's H0001. I think that I will use either a Holosun 507 or Vortex Viper red dot. Excellent info on this thread. Thanks to everyone.
Update: I took my Trijicon MRO off my scary AR just to try it out.
Update: I took my Trijicon MRO off my scary AR just to try it out.
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Jesus, that is some high! Can you get anything resembling a cheek weld with that setup?
Hahaha its a chin weld at best. lol. I have an extra Holosun 507c that will sit flush. Just for sh%ts and giggles I had to try it.
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With a set-up like that, a riser is well worth the effort. I have home built risers for all my vintage & modern leverguns....it's just part of the hobby. You could spend a lot of hours building very eye-apealling stock extensions but I go more for the "usable & easy to build" model. Common garage tooling needed and a 8" long piece of 2x6. The ones I build for myself require no changes or drilling to any of the rifles, just use the tang bolt & a butt plate screw.
Both of my previous red dots are of the inexpensive projection screen variety & parallax is a very real problem so yesterday I just ordered on of the 3x mag prisms on offer, hoping for a better product.
Both of my previous red dots are of the inexpensive projection screen variety & parallax is a very real problem so yesterday I just ordered on of the 3x mag prisms on offer, hoping for a better product.
Ordered one of these Phoenix Weaponry mounts along with the Grace M2 Red dot for my Big Boy. Both ship to Canada.
Henrys have a serious drop on the buttstock so you need to get that dot down low.
Awesome set up.
