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My wife was bugging me about sending her Rem BDL rifle in for trigger replacement as it falls within the serial no. range affected.

I watched a few videos on the topic and checked her rifle - (A) it doesn't have that set screw in the trigger and (B) it is steel as opposed to aluminum, the material of the alleged problem trigger. I do recall the gentleman that sold it to her mentioning the fact that he had the trigger upgraded, which meant nothing to me at the time.

I've tried to make the rifle fail as reported in the videos and failed to get it to malfunction.

In watching the videos, one stood out; a documentary piece where there was footage of rifles going "Bang!" when the bolt was moved or the safety pushed off. These rifles had been tampered with by Sheriff's departments and NOT submitted for evaluation and testing (by Remington or independent testers) as they knew that work invalidated the warranty.

In the case of the guy that shot his 10 year old son, the rifle was tested and it had rust and debris under the stock and on the trigger group from spending time in a saddle scabbard. It looks like he was making his error someone else's. Same for another incident where it turned out the shooter was handling a loaded gun in the same room as the victim, not in another room as originally reported.

Regardless of any rifle failure, the gun handlers were in error by not pointing the rifles in a safe direction.
 
Since my wife's rifle does not have the problem trigger and it is working great, why would I replace it? If it ain't broke .....

Remington is still using the X-Pro trigger in it's rifles (according to the latest "Rifle" magazine), so the whole thing would seem to have been a tempest in a teapot. I know several shooters of Remington 700 rifles and none have had an AD incident that I am aware of.
 
Sounds like its between you and your wife. if she thinks its dangerous you have to do something and identify the trigger to her satisfaction or replace it since you dont know what it is. well no, you dont have to do this but i would.
 
I have an x-pro trigger on my 700 that I didn't tamper with other than to adjust the trigger pull weight with the external screw. Was cleaning it one day and as usual, closed bolt, checked function and "click" when I moved the safety from safe to fire. I was able to repeat it several times including after I adjusted the external screw to make the pull heavy again. I have it on video. Again, it is only about a 5 year old rifle and I never took the trigger apart or messed with it in any way but to adjust the pull weight via external screw. I sent it in for recall repair in Quebec and it seems to work fine now, but I'll never trust the safety again. As you said though, no one gets shot if the rifle is pointed in a safe direction at all times. It's easy to dismiss the idea that there could be a problem since there is little documented evidence and I wasn't even sure that I'd send mine in for repair, but I sure changed my mind when I experienced a malfunction.
 
porpoise said:
Sounds like its between you and your wife. if she thinks its dangerous you have to do something and identify the trigger to her satisfaction or replace it since you dont know what it is. well no, you dont have to do this but i would.
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Like I said - the trigger in my wife's 700 does not appear to be an X-Pro as it is polished steel and lacks the adjustment screw that seems to be at the heart of the problem.

I'd like concerned people to examine the triggers in their 700's to see if it is (A) is steel and (B) if it has the set screw at the top of the curve of the trigger. These seem to be the external identifying marks of the X-Pro trigger.

Remington has either changed the design of the trigger or my wife's rifle has an aftermarket trigger. But, again, like I said - the X-pro trigger is still being installed on current production 700's.
 
I checked the Rem web site and the info on the web was wrong! The trigger in my wife's rifle is one of those on the recall.

If it wasn't, it would have a (.) on the bolt release, which it does not.
 
Op, if you have any doubts....take it to a smith. They install so many triggers that one look and they could tell you exactly what "aftermarket" trigger you have. The X-pro is a POS from all accounts. I have several M700's and simply bought a Timney from Jerry at Mystic precision. Great improvement over the stock trigger, but my 700 was old enough to be pre X-pro.

Lots of questions, for a long time about the Remington triggers. Given that i would trust a smith and spend the money on my choice of aftermarket trigger before giving them another chance to mess it up and be without my rifle for months. That is just me....YMMV.
 
We have sent a good few of the recalled rifles in to be (fixed).

There is two different triggers in the affected serial range. If the trigger is original and trigger itself has a smooth (face - where you pull with your finger) it needs to go back.

If there is groves (lines) in the trigger then it's ok.

And they do not "replace" the trigger if you send it in. They simply disassemble it and give it a clean out. There is some kind of (goop) in the effected triggers that are causing the malfunction.

Some that we have sent in to be corrected have come back in a few weeks, others have been a couple/three months.

You need to get authorization FIRST from Remington before you can get any of the service centers to do the work for you.

If you have any doubt I would call Rem and then send it in if required/suggested.

You don't want the rifle to go "boom" at the wrong time even if you are observing safe handling practices.
 
I have a 700 SPS in .243 that went bang when you clicked off the safety. 2008 mfg IIRC with a x-mark pro adjustable.

I started a thread on it about 5 years ago and it was a bit of a #### show. Several people called me a liar.

Fact is that rifle would fire about 1 out of 5 times when you clicked off the safety. No bumping or anything required. I sent it in for warranty work before the recall and the trigger was swapped out for a new one. That one worked, but I sent it in with the recall as well because it was still a x-mark pro adjustable made in the same date range. Not all triggers are defective, it's probably a small percentage. They are out there though. I got one. The rifle was impeccably maintained, the trigger was not tampered with and was in the middle of it's adjustment range.
 
For what it costs in time and inconvenience, the rifle is going back.

In the current CATF, there is an ad by "Triggertech" (a US firm) announcing a replacement trigger for the Rem 700. It claims to use a "friction free roller" adjustable from 1.5 - 4 lbs.
"Friction free" sounds like hyperbole, but .... the market will decide. Looks like the Rem trigger except for the roller bar between the trigger and the sear.
 
Thats a Canadian company making the friction free roller type trigger, ht tp://www.triggertech.com/. Supposed to be the bees knees, I have one on pre-order and cant wait to try it out. Time will tell I guess.
 
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I had an xmark trigger with a smooth face and no set screw. Thats how they were when they first came out.also i dont think the trigger screw has anything to do with the problem.
 
labrador76 said:
Thats a Canadian company making the friction free roller type trigger, ht tp://www.triggertech.com/. Supposed to be the bees knees, I have one on pre-order and cant wait to try it out. Time will tell I guess.
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I presumed that "Triggertech" was a US company as the prices quoted ($84.99-89.99) in CATF are in USD. Let us know your impression when you have some range time on yours.

The issue re: the set screw has to do with the depth of the trigger/sear engagement. There is also a problem with the aluminum trigger breaking at the hole for the set screw.
If all Gravel does is clean any potentially problem causing gunk from the mechanism, I'll be happy. Both my wife and I prefer a smooth faced steel trigger.

In the meantime, Remington continues to market the 700 with the X-Pro trigger .....
 
remington jim said:
I have OWNED dozens and still do of Remington rifles and NEVER had a trigger problem from a rifle that was not MESSED with ! I do think the Problems arrive from Want to be Gunsmiths doing IMPROPER self ajustments ! jmo RJ
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Look at my post! I had a problem trigger. It did it when it was brand new. I never touched the trigger.

Even if you have owned multiple dozens it's still a very small sample size. One person's experience saying it has never happened to them is nothing when we're talking millions of rifles.
 
My wife's rifle is in the mail - prepaid by Remington for the recall. We couldn't even insure it for replacement value.

You'd think after the bad press, Remington would have deep sixed the X-Pro trigger and gone to another design. However, that would suggested that there was a problem with the design.
In all likelihood the trigger on my wife's rifle may never have developed a problem, but if it did, I've have a hard time living with it.

I own three 788's and like 'em a lot but for the safety which is prone to being easily bumped off by a large or gloved hand. Tiriaq, a mod on CGN , has re-attached several bolt handles that came off of Rem rifles.

I know of one 788 in .44 mag that shed one of it's locking lugs. The owner still shoots it with no concerns.
 
By the time you get your rifle back I'm guessing you will have wished you just bought a Timney. I gave up on the wait when the decal first came out. It was easier just to replace it. It's a better trigger anyhow.
 
Mine came back prety quick. I cant remember exactly but i think gravel had it back within 3 weeks. It may be a worker or a leadership problem not a design problem if slobs at the factory are glopping sealant carelessly around where it shouldnt be.
 
I have TWO Remmy M700's and I sent them back. Inside 3 weeks for both rifles. What I found really interesting were the pre-paid postage boxes that they sent to me. Most responsible on their part (here I was thinking that I had to provide the mailing box since I recycled the original factory units).

Both came back with the little (.) on the bolt release and all is great. Sold one of them a month ago, but I still have the one for my .22-250 critter gitter....



I've been very happy with Gravel's service! :wave:

Cheers and keep on helping them nooobies out there! :)

Barney
 
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