Remington 700 extractor question

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Hi All,

Mine has come loose. Is it a farily straight forward repair? I looked at the schematics and it indicates that a rivet holds it in place, so if I get the replacement parts (extractor and rivet) is it a straight forward proposition?

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send it to Rick at Alberta tactical Rifle, hes the worst smith and hes really not a good guy, but hey! :wink:

Really though, send it to rick
 
All the gunsmiths I've talked to will actually advise against the Sako mod unless you are REALLY set on it.

Adding the Sako mod will:
1) cost you alot of money.
2) eliminate the "three rings of steel" bolt head shroud safety feature
3) Cause you to have to mill out the bolt face and braze in a bushing to fill the detent left by the removed rem extractor IF you care about having a cartridge centered of accuracy, otherwise the Sako extractor will push your rims into the detent and ruin accuracy.
4)Void any warranty Remington may offer.

The sako mod will NOT:
1) increase accuracy
2) increase reliability
3) inclrease resale value
4) make malfunctions any less frequent.

Franly, the Remington extractor is very cheesy looking, but it works as well as any other extractor out there and has a pretty low incidence of failure on the M700 rifles.

The Sako looks better, but it doesn't perform better and DOES lower receiver safety and weakens one of the bolt's locking lugs. Think about it.
 
If the extractor is just loose, it is likely possible to just reset the rivet ( a fancy way of saying beat on it with a small hammer whilst backing it up with the appropriately shaped anvil). When things are working as intended, thextractor is supported on each side of the cam shaped undercut and the rivet has little to do with it's function as an extractor. It mostly just keeps the extractor in the right place.
Anyway, any reasonably competent 'smith should be able to fix it up in about 5 minutes. Regards, Bill.
 
Adding the Sako mod will:
1) cost you alot of money.
2) eliminate the "three rings of steel" bolt head shroud safety feature
3) Cause you to have to mill out the bolt face and braze in a bushing to fill the detent left by the removed rem extractor IF you care about having a cartridge centered of accuracy, otherwise the Sako extractor will push your rims into the detent and ruin accuracy.
4)Void any warranty Remington may offer.

The sako mod will NOT:
1) increase accuracy
2) increase reliability
3) inclrease resale value
4) make malfunctions any less frequent.

Frankly, the Remington extractor is very cheesy looking, but it works as well as any other extractor out there and has a pretty low incidence of failure on the M700 rifles.

The Sako looks better, but it doesn't perform better and DOES lower receiver safety and weakens one of the bolt's locking lugs. Think about it.
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RIGHT ON WELL STATED!! I agree with this 100% :mrgreen:
 
sorry don't wish to hijack the thread
along the same line of fixing the bolt. Does anyone know who can open bolt faces. I am looking at the 7mm rsaum and it is a magnum bolt face. The rifle doesn't come in left hand, so I figured I could use a .308 bolt and have it opened up to accommodate the larger case.
this is a project gun and I am looking at how feasible it is..

thanks
 
Trevor, get a left handed 7mm Mag bolt as a basis as it is available in left hand from remington and already has the right bolt face.

Getting a replacement bolt and fitting it is probably cheaper than reworking the .308 bolt. Probably. Talk to your smith.
 
TedB said:
If you are doing the extractor anyway, you may want to consider converting to a Sako style at this time.
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I think the Sako extractor conversion on a Remington 700 is about the worst thing you can do.

Sako and Sako extractors... there is nothing wrong with them. They are strong and safe in a Sako action. Sako has a large piece of steel behind the extractor to help contain or deflect the extractor if there is a case failure. Some people think this is a bolt guide but the only purpose it has, is as I described.

I do feel the Remington bolt head set up is superior to the Sako setup in strength and safety.

Sako extractors in a Remington. They are strong as far as extraction is concerned BUT they are not as strong and safe as the original 700 set up. Remington's 3 rings of steel surrounding the case head support the brass under extreme pressure as no other set up does. The case does not rupture due to all the support. You may not be able to open the bolt, and when removing the barrel you find the case head "welded" to the bolt face. I have seen that with a 222. The brass almost had to be machined off the bolt. I had to install a new extractor and there was no other damage to the rifle. I had one case of a 303 British fired in a 7mm Mag... I had to remove the barrel as the bolt was locked shut, but the case removed from the bolt face then with no damage at all. These incidents show how great the design is of the 700 system. I do not think there is a better extractor system. That is my belief anyway. I have seen other commercial actions blown to pieces or damaged beyond repair. I have never seen that of a 700. (Not to say it has not happened, but it must be rare)

The angle of ejection is changed a lot with the Sako conversion. Take a factory 700 bolt and look at the face of it. Take a case and insert it into the bolt face and observe where the ejector wants to push it. That angle is only slightly higher than straight sideways. with the Sako extractor fitted as close to the top of the right locking lug as you can, the angle of ejection with a fired case is high enough to always hit a 30mm scope tube with low mounts, or the windage adjustment turret. A fired case is shorter than a loaded round and has no weight at the front of it to help hold it down. I found out all this when I did the first and only conversion I have done, on a customer’s request. The conversion was done perfectly and as close to the locking lug as possible. I encountered no problems doing it. I recommend not doing the conversion and I will not do them.

With a Sako style conversion, you remove the total support of the design when you machine a slot length wise to install the Sako extractor. This causes a weaker area where one of the 3 rings of steel has now been removed. Total support has been reduced, and if a case ruptures the gases may blow back through this area with the extractor. It is the weakest link in the support of the case now.

I feel the conversion to Sako style is unsafe... it isn't as strong or safe as the original 700 extractor and the angle of ejection changes a lot... enough to cause some people problems.

There was a death not long ago in the U.S. from a Sako extractor conversion on a 700 exiting through a shooters head when he had a case failure.

Explain that to your insurance company....
 
guntech said:
TedB said:
Explain that to your insurance company....[/color]
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Forget the Insurance company - think of the lawyer :shock:

"Well, Bill, see I took this here tried and proven firearm and I ground a big slot into the side of the bolt. Then I installed this non-standard non-factory part into the cut I madeand took 'er up to deer camp for some fun.

My buddy, Bob, borrowed the gun and chambered up some Remington CoreLokt ammo out at the gravel pit, when...

Anyhow, the point is, I need you to represent me in the class action suit his widdow just filed because the gun blew up and part of the bolt went into Bob's brain. The damn stupid ammo must have been the problem because the modifications I made were improvements!"
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That sounds like a good idea. The concern i have is that the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7mm RSAUM are two different actions the Rem mag is a long action while the RSAUM is a short action.
 
I no longer do the installation of Sako extractors on Rem bolts either. We never had a problem in performing the work, but too many reports of problems and issues makes a guy revisit the value in doing the conversion.
 
Trevor60 said:
That sounds like a good idea. The concern i have is that the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7mm RSAUM are two different actions the Rem mag is a long action while the RSAUM is a short action.
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True enough... You could just replace the bolt head I guess (it's silver soldered on), or you could ream it out.

Either way, contact your smith and pick his brain - he likely has his own favorite way to convert them.
 
Rumor from Remington is that the SAUMs are being dropped, due mostly to a total lack on interest (sales) in the cartridge line.
To convert a standard action can be done, but there are several modifications besides the boltface that may need to be dealt with, with a Rem 700 opening the boltface can make extractor problems and then there are others like feed rails, and feeding generally,and having the proper follower to accomodate feeding, are some of things I have encountered in these types of projects. :mrgreen:
 
It is possible to open up the Remington bolt face and re machine to use the stock Remington extractor. The operation is a little tricky and, consequently, may be a bit spendy but it is do-able.
I am of two minds (neither of which work that well, some say) regarding the use of Sako or any other extractor in a Remington. There is little doubt that the stock configuration is better as far as gas handling is concerned. Especially when coupled with factory bolt to barrel clearances in the 700, the Sako extractor can, possibly, take flight. Of course, so can the extractors of Mauser's, Ruger's, and M70's but that's another story. With a new barrel fitted with less clearance, the Sako extractor is less likely to come out. I'm in agreement with Dennis though that the stock Remington configuration may do a better job of containing gas than any other.
The installation of such extractors as the Sako type came about simply because it is much easier to do this than to install the Remington extractor when opening the bolt. The practice, no doubt, has it's roots in the practices of benchrest gunsmiths who opened up a lot of 222 bolts to make PPCs back in the 70's and 80's. The added benefit was that, when extractor replacement was neccessary, it was more easily done with the Sako than with the Remington. Ultimately, the decision as to whether or not to do the conversion rests with the customer and his gunsmith. The concerns mentioned by Dennis and others are valid but it has to be said that such concerns arise only when the failure of a case is likely as a result of overloading or using the wrong ammunition. Regards, Bill.
 
Hearing all this, What is one to do if one has a rifle where the Remington extractor broke and was subsequently replaced by a sako style extractor. Is there something that can be done to the bolt to vent gas in case of a case failure? I don't shoot reloads in these rifles. One is a hunting rifle that was converted years ago, the other is a target rifle.

Or should I be looking at getting several replacement bolts?
 
Swampy said:
Hearing all this, What is one to do if one has a rifle where the Remington extractor broke and was subsequently replaced by a sako style extractor. Is there something that can be done to the bolt to vent gas in case of a case failure? I don't shoot reloads in these rifles. One is a hunting rifle that was converted years ago, the other is a target rifle.

Or should I be looking at getting several replacement bolts?
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Seriously, don't overload, make sure you don't create headspace with reloads and make sure you use the correct ammo. The problem only occurs if you have a catastrophic case failure.
 
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