Remington 770 disappointment.

pharaoh2 said:
And you owe the very existance of your Stevens to the 710. Don't forget, when it was introduced the 200 never existed. Savage brought it out to compete with the 710. ...
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Remington brought out the 710 to compete with Savage's 11 and 111 package rifles, which were showing a lot of new shooters that they could have a rifle that worked as well as or better than the industry benchmark, the Remington 700, for less. And the 710 failed in that role. But Savage answered them anyway with the Stevens 200 to drive the point home. Remington doesn't want to admit it so they painted the 710 in camo and renamed it the 770.

Remington brought out the SPS version of the 700 to do what the 710 failed to do - introduce new shooters on a budget to the Remington brand with a satisfying experience that sows some loyalty to the brand for when they have the money to buy nicer rifles later.

And then Savage improved the 11/111 with the Accutrigger, and now the Accustock, to be as good as or better than the 700 and still for less money. (Despite an apparent increase in quality control problems in the last few years at Remington, the 700, like the Savages, shoots better than probably most shooters can realise. So the price remains important.)

Now at last Remington does have a rifle to compete with the Stevens 200. They had to buy Marlin with the XS/XL7 to do it.
 
pharaoh2 said:
And you owe the very existance of your Stevens to the 710. Don't forget, when it was introduced the 200 never existed. Savage brought it out to compete with the 710. And the only thing the Stevens has going for it is the aftermarket support of the Savage action. Both stocks are gross and both triggers are gross. But the Stevens can be refined. But most guys who want more opt to upgrade their existing 200 first, then end up buying a new rifle instead. And again if you recall, the 710 sold for about $350 with open sights when it was new. What's the 200 selling for these days?
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How many rifles do you own?
 
chuck nelson said:
It always cracks me up that guys with a safe full of "cheap" rifles will get on guys with one or two done up right hunting rifles.
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Really? It always cracks me up when guys have the done up right rifles look down on the guys with affordable rifles. See, we're really not that different. :wave:

Now you don't know what I have in my safe, but your assuming I have a safe full of 'cheap' rifles. Is that a bad thing? Not everybody is as blessed as you Chuck. Not everybody can afford full blown customs to get into the sport. Now do me a favour, where exactly did I 'get on you' for having a nice rifle? Please do tell me, I truely am interested in what you have to say this time.
 
pharaoh2 said:
Really? It always cracks me up when guys have the done up right rifles look down on the guys with affordable rifles. See, we're really not that different. :wave:

Now you don't know what I have in my safe, but your assuming I have a safe full of 'cheap' rifles. Is that a bad thing? Not everybody is as blessed as you Chuck. Not everybody can afford full blown customs to get into the sport. Now do me a favour, where exactly did I 'get on you' for having a nice rifle? Please do tell me, I truely am interested in what you have to say this time.
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It's the first paragraph in your post that is exactly what I'm talking about.
 
But why? I said:
pharaoh2 said:
And you owe the very existance of your Stevens to the 710.
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To which you replied:
chuck nelson said:
How many rifles do you own?
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You are questioning my experiance and/or knowledge. You may surpass me in both fields, I've never denied that. However you then said:

chuck nelson said:
It always cracks me up that guys with a safe full of "cheap" rifles will get on guys with one or two done up right hunting rifles.
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So now I ask again, where did I ever bother you or anybody else about the guns you own? I don't look down on anybody, nor do I look up either. I am happy with myself and my belongings, therefore it is not my place to judge anybody, and this includes yourself based on the equipment they choose to buy and use. Quite the opposite, I appreciate everyones choice of equipment, and I think you own some very nice stuff. But not once do I recall ever bashing your gear or anyone elses. If this is not true, and this goes for everyone not just you Chuck, please tell me and I will appoligize public on this forum. (This offer does not apply to 597 or 10/22 owners, you know who you are)

Please Chuck, I will tell you I am sorry if I ever insulted you on your gear. Do I not deserve an answer?
 
I highly doubt that anyone has ever spend time nor money to improve upon the basic frame of a 710 or 770. On the other hand, the Stevens 200 has enough potential as an accurate OTB firearm and offers decent reliability to make them worhtwhile improving upon the factory fugly stock. Not only that, the factory fuby stock even though it's "plastic" is well enough designed that it lends itself to a good bedding job, eeven though it's factory pillar mounted and a pretty decent paint job. And I have the pics to prove it. I do certainly agree that there are far superior and more beautiful firearms out there, but for affordability and functionality, the 710's and 770's are not close to being in the same league.

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