Remington 770 or Savage 111 ?

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Hi,

I've been looking around for a used varmit rifle and have determined that for the same price I can just buy a new rifle. Granted they may be a little "lower end" then some rifles but for under $450 what can you expect. I've narrowed it down to a .223 or .243.

Buy a Remington 770 or Savage 111 ? Why?

Thanks in advance for your help!
 
also check out the Stevens 200xp camo package for $450. same thing as a Savage, since the Savage package guns dont come with an Acutrigger either (at least the last time i checked they didnt).

personally, for a good quality budget gun i would be looking hard at the Marlin XS7 for around $350, topped with a Bushnell 3200 Elite 3-9x40mm with ballistic reticle for $220 at Lebarons. you wont beat that for the $.
 
The 770 is the 710 with a new name because there are too many bad stories about them. Of course that still leaves lots of owners content with their 710s and 770s, but the design of the action and the press-fit barrel means that long-term, it can't be rebuilt with another barrel, and the Savage is a long established successful design that doesn't have anything like the same number of complaints and horror stories, and it doesn't cost any more than the Remington. In fact, you might get one new for a bit less, and if you opt for the Stevens 200 version, that's definitely lower $ in MSRP. A Savage/Stevens is a better bet, and will have better resale value if you don't like it.
 
Marlin

Manbearpig,

First of all, you have the best profile shot ever. Secondly, I like the idea of the Marlin. I will have to do more research on it. Anyone else have anything to say about the Marlin?

Also good to hear to stay away from the Rem 770.
 
lovin my stevens 200 with tasco scope. the elcheapo gun was under 550 and shoots like the dickens. and if and when the cheapo scope craps out no big deal to replace
 
Manbearpig,

First of all, you have the best profile shot ever. Secondly, I like the idea of the Marlin. I will have to do more research on it. Anyone else have anything to say about the Marlin?

Also good to hear to stay away from the Rem 770.

check this thread starting at Post #111:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419256&page=2&highlight=Marlin

theyre relatively new-ish in Canada but there are a few CGNers that have them and are very happy with them.

the XL7/XS7 seems to be a sortof mix between a Remington 700 and a Savage - it even comes with an Accutrigger type trigger. some places (LeBaron) overcharge for them but according to this thread they go between $330-370 at Bass Pro.
if youd asked me a year ago what rifle i think is the best bang-for-your-buck id have said the Stevens (i own both a Savage and Stevens) -- but it looks like the Marlin offers the same accuracy, but with better design and a lower price. i would give it a shot.

the scope i recommended is also one of the best deals going right now on a very good bang-for-your-buck scope and if i didnt already have about 3 more scopes than i do rifles, id pick one of those up for myself.








btw: some people are recommending heavy barreled varmint rigs. id like to add my 2 cents on that as well:
in Ontario you dont encounter 'high-volume' varmint shooting like they do out west. we dont have legions of gophers swarming over the land here. we have obese groundhogs - which are getting scarcer each year - and at most youll fire a couple shots then do some walking or waiting.

all else being equal, a heavy contour barrel will usually not be more accurate than a standard contour one. the main advantage it affords is less shot-stringing in follow-up shots because the barrel takes longer to heat up. but if you are only firing 1-2 shots at a time at 5-10 minute intervals, this will hardly come into play. what will come into play, however, is the fact that you are carrying a rifle that is several pounds heavier.

my original Ontario varmint gun was a .223 Remington 700P with a 26" heavy barrel on it (~9lbs to start)). add a bipod, steel picatinny rail/tactical rings, and a ridiculously huge scope and you get a very heavy rifle (i estimate over 14lbs). it was brutally uncomfortable to lug across farm fields all day. looked something like this:
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i would not recommend such a thing for an Ontario varmint gun. go with a standard contour barrel for lighter weight, and a moderate scope (ie: not a 50mm objective monster). in Ontario it will have very few disadvantages compared to a heavy barreled varmint gun, but will be much more versatile and pleasant to carry.
nowadays my ideal varmint rifle would be something more like this lightweight Remington Model 7 Predator, but with a slightly smaller/lighter scope than what he has on it in Talley Lightweight ringmounts.
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Out in Sask. last year, the Gopher count was noticeably down in the areas I was shooting. Farmers got approval to use better poisions and it's definately had an effect. The last Gopher derby I shot, I used my Rem 7 SS/lam in 223, and my AMT 25/22 (Ruger 10-22 copy), both with mildot scopes. The longest shot I took was roughly 225 yards with the 223, and it's a standard 18.5" barrel. Sometimes things got a bit fast, but not enough to make me wish for a heavy barrel rig. YMMV, but I would go for something comfortable to carry and shoot well. Savage / Stevens are always safe bets, plus if you want to "customize" later, the sky's (and your pocketbook) the limit.
 
you westerners gotta remember that groundhogs are NOT gophers.

morbidly obese Ontario groundhog:
groundhog.jpg


gophers:
gophers.jpg


unfortunately, my barrel has never overheated from shooting groundhogs in Ontario. if anyone knows a spot in Ontario where id need a heavy contour barrel due to the volume of groundhog shooting - please let me know :)
 
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