The Remington 870 "Shorty" comes as NR. But it also come with a pistol grip that makes it Restricted. I am wondering about if someone were to switch back and forth, what would need to happen? Would it need to be registered for the times you want to pistol grip at a range? And when you went to full Stock, do you de-register it? Yes I re-read that and yup, it sounds silly, but I still need to ask :/
Remington 870 Shorty
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If your configuration is less than 26" overall, it will need to be registered as restricted. I've heard it's much easier to register restricted than to change back to non restricted although apparently it can be done.
The reason some short, pistol grip, pump action, shotguns are restricted is that the RCMP has declared them handguns, not because they are under 26". I have a NR shotgun that is under 26". The 26" rule does not apply since it is not being reduced to less than 26" by telescoping, folding or other means.
My understanding is that if you register a pistol grip shotgun as Restricted it is actually classed as a handgun and cannot be changed back to Non-Restricted.
My understanding is that if you register a pistol grip shotgun as Restricted it is actually classed as a handgun and cannot be changed back to Non-Restricted.
I'm honestly not sure if you are screwing with him or if you are serious. Have a look at the firearms manuals again, there is nothing about pistol grip making it a pistol. It's pretty simple for manual action shotguns (assuming you have not cut your barrel to less than 18"), over 26" oal is non-restricted, under 26" oal is restricted. Also for overall length it is the shortest length the firearm can be fired in so your gun that is under 26" is absolutely restricted.
Here is a pistol grip shotgun for sale as a non-restricted http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5_100&products_id=2941
OP, if you change your shotgun so that it is less than 26" in oal it must immediately be treated as a restricted for storage and transportation. As for registration, the CFP says a reasonable amount of time to change the status. When I asked them what reasonable was they said 30 days (I have this in an email somewhere). So, if you changed it to less than 26" then changed the stock back on the 29th day you are good to go.
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I agree with everything except I think he's screwing with her, not him...not sure why this is so confusing to some? Mares leg is the only nonrestricted ive ever heard less than 26"oal
Non-Restricted, 24" OAL:
Dlask used to sell their 870 with 8" barrel, and pistol grip. It was NR until the RCMP reclassified it as a handgun. Ask them if you don't believe me, there have been several treads about this.
Dlask used to sell their 870 with 8" barrel, and pistol grip. It was NR until the RCMP reclassified it as a handgun. Ask them if you don't believe me, there have been several treads about this.
That pretty much confirms your 24" oal shotgun is restricted
"Non-Semi-Automatic long arm (non-handgun):
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Factory barrel less than 457mm = Non-Restricted"
Not sure how you reached that conclusion, but the important thing, from my perspective, is that the RCMP do not agree with you. The vendor I purchase the shotgun from included a copy of the FRT table showing it as NR.
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It states that shorter than 26" oal is NR? Care to share it with us?
Yes and it's 28" oal with full stock. On the Dlask site it even says if you put a pistol grip on it becomes restricted.
I'm done here. The law is very clear, shorter than 26" oal is restricted. I sincerely hope you don't get caught on crown land with your restricted guns.
I am talking specifically the Dlask Rem Shorty. Which comes "factory" as an option to be NR or R. I understand the laws of each class. I only want to know about switching in between. As in NR for bear defense and range shooting as a restricted. From what I gathered in the first few posts, its either hard or impossible to go back to NR once it R. But I also see that you have reasonable time to change back before registry. (Also in this thread) So obey the class laws and dont keep is R and it should be good? As in literally the only time its R is on Range or else transporting is an issue.
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When it's in R configuration where is the registration certificate that you're required to have?
From this. This isn't even worth the chance of a misunderstanding and ending up in trouble. If/when I get the Rem Shorty I'll just use the pistol grip as a paperweight.
