Remington Model 14 1/2

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I just picked up this baby from an auction and am trying to get an idea of what it is worth. It's chambered for .44 REM/44 WCF

The bluing looks pretty good, the bore is shiny and it has a tang sight

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A close-up of the receiver

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A dovetail where the rear sight would normally be.

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Checkered pistol grip

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Bottom of butt stock with a white dot on it.

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Forestock with more white dots

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Close-up of loading door.

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Thanks

Roe+
 
They are a slick little gun. I think the checkering and inlays are not factory but seem nicely done. In my area I would say $350-$450 because it's basically a shooter, the modifications remove it from the collectable area and lower the value a little.
 
I belive you are mistaken on caliber 44wcf is 44 wincherter center fire or 44/40 .44 rem mag is complely different. These rifles where made in 1920 1930 era 44 rem did not come out until 1955.
 
Mike Webb said:
They are a slick little gun. I think the checkering and inlays are not factory but seem nicely done. In my area I would say $350-$450 because it's basically a shooter, the modifications remove it from the collectable area and lower the value a little.
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The aperture sight tapped hole is also non-factory. Reckon Mike is pretty close on his price here but I haven't followed the 14 1/2s very close. Lots of folks have them with the Dominion roll mark on them and ask a premium for them but it is seeming they aren't as rare as first thought by the RSA.
 
bugs said:
I belive you are mistaken on caliber 44wcf is 44 wincherter center fire or 44/40 .44 rem mag is complely different. These rifles where made in 1920 1930 era 44 rem did not come out until 1955.
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If I'm not mistaken, early 44-40/44wcf Rems were called 44REM on their little cartridge looking thing.
 
bugs said:
I belive you are mistaken on caliber 44wcf is 44 wincherter center fire or 44/40 .44 rem mag is complely different. These rifles where made in 1920 1930 era 44 rem did not come out until 1955.
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That's what it says on the barrel. They were actually made from 1914 - 1925, but the serial numbers were not differentiated from the Model 14's

Noel said:
The aperture sight tapped hole is also non-factory. Reckon Mike is pretty close on his price here but I haven't followed the 14 1/2s very close. Lots of folks have them with the Dominion roll mark on them and ask a premium for them but it is seeming they aren't as rare as first thought by the RSA.
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Actually, I read on-line they were factory tapped for the addition of a tang sight and some actually had Lyman tang sights that stuck out past the end of the receiver. I was wondering if this was done at the factory since the dovetail is where the rear sight would normally have been.

Thanks everyone for your input.

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Roe+ said:
That's what it says on the barrel. They were actually made from 1914 - 1925, but the serial numbers were not differentiated from the Model 14's



Actually, I read on-line they were factory tapped for the addition of a tang sight and some actually had Lyman tang sights that stuck out past the end of the receiver. I was wondering if this was done at the factory since the dovetail is where the rear sight would normally have been.

Thanks everyone for your input.

Roe+
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Actually, the tapped holes are to be at the back edge of the receiver, two holes, not one like yours. Note they say the tang sight hung over the back of the receiver, that is the only kind I have ever seen on them. Again I could be wrong since I have not been a follower of the 14 1/2, I have been a faithful follower of the model 12 and 14 tho, and they never tapped holes mid ship on the receiver like yours, makes me wonder why yours is that way if it is factory. The Remington Society boys would be able to help you with that in a heartbeat. Of course, if you don't find the info from the guys here.;)
Canuck would know, my research papers are currently packed up.
 
Noel said:
Actually, the tapped holes are to be at the back edge of the receiver, two holes, not one like yours. Note they say the tang sight hung over the back of the receiver, that is the only kind I have ever seen on them. Again I could be wrong since I have not been a follower of the 14 1/2, I have been a faithful follower of the model 12 and 14 tho, and they never tapped holes mid ship on the receiver like yours, makes me wonder why yours is that way if it is factory. The Remington Society boys would be able to help you with that in a heartbeat. Of course, if you don't find the info from the guys here.;)
Canuck would know, my research papers are currently packed up.
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Noel,

It's possible because the information on-line seems to be extremely limited and I'm just trying to get an idea of what I bought. I did find that these guns were used mainly by law enforcement. The one I have does not appear to have seen much use. The lettering on the barrel is quite crisp and not worn like my model 12. I was wondering about the checkering on the butt stock, but the finish is exactly the same as the forestock.

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m14--14 1/2 peep sight.

good day all:
heres a pic of my first year production m14 with a very rare watson peep sight ,and my 1922 vintage m12 with a marbles r7 peep.
from the pic you should be able to see how the peep sights mount.

Z
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You know you can never discount a variant of a model from this time period, I have a Rem 14 35rem that is set up similair to your rear and forestock, threw a few contacts in the uS found out the rear stock was a factory upgrade with very high end cherking done by Rem customshop of the period, your rear stock is indentical other than the type of checkering pattern and line per inch, the grip cap look the same as mine and has been varified by RS experts. The peep sight, who knows, I have a couple winchester's and S&W guns with weird features(odd accesories not cataloged) that were custom ordered by individuals right from factory customshops! Unfortunately there is very little factory records available for vintage Remingtons, making it a hard learning curve to collect and evaluate their guns. I think you have a great gun that is collectable and a shooter at the same time, these were all hand fitted guns, making them incridible smooth operating firearms that would cost thousands to reproduce nowadays! What those white inlays are I have no idea other than probably done in the 1970's when everyone loved white line spacers and inlays ala Weatherby. Is there a identification on the peep sight? I really like the simplicity of it. In Canada seems there a very few Remigton collectors , very few and far bewtween, would be great to put a thread together on rare and interesting vintage Remingtons. I also just picked up a rare Rem 30 Express with alot of upgrades, I have an advanced US collector salivating from the pictures I sent, he is sure it was a factory gun done for an exutive or frined of the firm, it is intialed with gold sheils, so he is trying to help me find out if he was anyone important! It just shows that there are still Remington treasures to be found out ther, sorry for such a long responce, but all you guys got me going with you interest and helpfulness, cheers dale Z!
 
leadchucker62 said:
good day all:
heres a pic of my first year production m14 with a very rare watson peep sight ,and my 1922 vintage m12 with a marbles r7 peep.
from the pic you should be able to see how the peep sights mount.

Z
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Leadchucker,
The first two years the 14's did not have the factory tapped holes for the tang sights, 1912 and `13 were without tang holes.
It may be possible your 14 was put together at a later date with old parts, as mentioned the records are sketchy but a friend of mine has put together a fantastic database of 14s, 14.5 and was it the 25s. I have two of his compilations stashed somewhere.....:rolleyes:
What does your cartridge indicator have for ID on it?

BTW, thanks for posting that pic to clarify the factory style mount holes!

It's possible because the information on-line seems to be extremely limited and I'm just trying to get an idea of what I bought. I did find that these guns were used mainly by law enforcement. The one I have does not appear to have seen much use. The lettering on the barrel is quite crisp and not worn like my model 12. I was wondering about the checkering on the butt stock, but the finish is exactly the same as the forestock.

Roe+
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Well first off, I think you found a great rifle there.:) They were also chambered in 38-40/ 38WCF and my Great Grandfather was rumored to have had one chambered so, but his sons cannot agree on it so I haven't rationalized getting one of them....... yet. :D
Seems to be quite a good number of the 44s on this side of the border. Like you said, they were carried by law enforcement, especially in a penitentiary. Much like the model 8 if memory serves.

For the checkering it looks similar to some special order jobs done at the Remington plant but I do not have enough expertise to say for certain. I can put you in touch with a fellow who can confirm yay or nay and would love to hear from you.
 
Zywina, Noel & Leadchucker,

Thanks for your input. I had another look at my model 12 and model 14 1/2 last night and compared them side by side.

My model 12 has the same tappings at the back of the receiver as Leadchuckers, but the Model 14 1/2 doesn't.

The sight has no markings on it. The fact that where the rear sight would normaly be has a dovetail patch makes me think it could be a factory upgrade as suggested. I have been very curious about the checkering as I know it was not common among guns of this era.

If any of you can refer me to someone with a greater knowledge of these guns it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Roe+
 
Regarding the filled rear sight dovetail. I can't speak specifically about Remingtons but if a Winchester was ordered without a rear sight they usually picked a barrel off the line before it was machined for a rear sight. I have seen several old Winchester levers with no rear sight dovetail.
 
Must say very nice firearm.

I had a 14 1/2 44/40 and have seen a few others and normally the magazine tube extends to the end of the barrel with a second band around it nearer the muzzle. Some people found them to be muzzle heavy so they cut the magazine tube off and shortened the spring and removed the 2nd band.

It is hard to tell from the pics but I can't see where a 2nd band was attached? I believe they where in a dovetail cut into the barrel?
 
It was very common for the dovetail slot to be filled when an aperture sight was used, not only for the clear view of the different sight, but also to protect the edges of the dovetail itself. Marbles still makes the slot fillers.
 
Nice rifle...Never seen a sight set up like that before on a 14.

I had the same rifle quite a few years ago..I had the barrel set back, so I could fire 44mag out of it....
 
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