Removing varnish from a complete win 94 ??Update

So when I started in on that rusty 94 I gave it a thorough cleaning with hoppes9 or G96 and then started with 0000 steel wool and oil and scrubbed as much surface rust off the receiver as possible, then to get rust out of the pitting on the receiver I used a small brass brush and oil to scrub anything I could out of the pitting.

I have a brass wire wheel on my bench grinder that I used on the barrel and mag tube, the putting on it was pretty bad so I started in on it with 120grit working my way progressively to 220gr sandpaper and oil. Pretty sure I used wd40 for most of the lube while sanding, to keep any flat surfaces on the receiver flat I wrapped sandpaper around a fine flat file or small block of wood. I clamped the barrel or receiver into a bench vise with padded jaws while sanding to keep it secure.

To sand the barrel and mag tube I cut long 1” wide strips of sandpaper and sanded around the barrel, not along the length. Like shining a shoe with a shine rag, the mag tube I put in my lathe between centers and wet sanded it while it spun. In all of this I worked from coarse to fine grit with oil till I hit a level of smoothness that worked, if I hadn’t had as much pitting to deal with I likely would’ve gone finer than 220gr for more shine.

Once I block/file sanded out as much of the pitting as possible I re detail cleaned the receiver/barrel and mag tube, I already had all the other internal bits and pieces, screws etc cleaned. I chucked all the screws in the lathe and sanded the screw heads smooth.

Wearing nitrile glove I then degreased everything multiple times with lacquer thinner followed by 99% isopropyl alcohol, once cleaned I started cold bluing with Birchwood Casey Super Blue. Heating up the parts with a heat gun prior to bluing really helps, I applied the bluing solution and let sit for 30-60sec, buffed it with 0000steel wool and washed it in hot water. Wipe dry and apply another coat, 6 coats hit the point where I didn’t see things get any darker. When bluing the receiver and barrel I worked in long strokes from one end to the other in one stroke, this kept the bluing smooth and even. Once I was don’t cold bluing everything I oiled everything well and left it to sit while I started in on the wood.

The original finish on the wood was flaking and I could scratch/scrape it off so I lightly used the brass wire wheel on my bench grinder to buzz of the old varnish. I don’t recommend doing this with a finish that isn’t failing or if you haven’t done things like this before. It takes some practice and finesse, you have to follow the grain and use light pressure. Fine sand paper by hand to smooth anything afterwards, I used warmed blo on the wood doing multiple coats till I was happy with how it soaked in. Two coats of hand buffed minwax paste wax to finish it. Then reassemble everything and try not to mar any screw heads or finished areas on the receiver lol.

I think that covers it for the most part, I did things in batches and slowly worked my way through it all. It’s a ton of work and hours if you want to keep it blued, initially I thought the pitting was worse and thought of sanding and then filling with automotive body filler, sanding smooth and having it ceracoated. Luckily I was able to remove most of the pitting, for the most part the pitting is a hidden by the bluing but up close it’s visible. It’s a shooter grade and not a pre 64 so I don’t think anyone will care. My friend was pretty happy with the finished product, he received it in the rusty condition and thought it was nothing more than a wall hanger. We shot it in the spring and it shoots quite well, luckily the old owner that stored it improperly had used grease to line the action and bore. There was next to no rust or pitting internally.
 
Thanks for the write up, I’ll post up a few pics when I get it finished
It was a lot worse than I thought once I got the varnish off.
Did you use the brass wheel to remove some of the pitting?
Putting don’t seem to deep, but it’s sure a pain to remove
 
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Thanks for the write up, I’ll post up a few pics when I get it finished
It was a lot worse than I thought once I got the varnish off.
Did you use the brass wheel to remove some of the pitting?
Putting don’t seem to deep, but it’s sure a pain to remove
No, the brass wheel won’t remove pitting. It will take off rust scale or old paint on most things. To get rid of pitting you will have to file or sand out areas, a block or flat file wrapped in wet dry sandpaper will help to keep slat surfaces flat and corners from being rounded over.

Have you figured out what year it was made in?
 
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No, the brass wheel won’t remove pitting. It will take off rust scale or old paint on most things. To get rid of pitting you will have to file or sand out areas, a block or flat file wrapped in wet dry sandpaper will help to keep slat surfaces flat and corners from being rounded over.

Have you figured out what year it was made in?
Thanks .
Not sure of the year but on the bottom of the barrel it’s stamped 30 W.C.F. 54 so maybe the 54 is the year?
 

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Pre 64 probably, is the serial number by the tang?

Will take bluing well on the receiver I’d expect .
No serial #
But the screws are the same as my 54 year 94
Bottom of barrel stamped 30 WCF 54
Top of the barrel stamped 3030 Winchester
 
Prepping the steel (cleaning) is paramount.
If the steel has any trace of oil, your job will turn out blotchy, that includes oil from you fingers.
Last 1/2 doz or so 'bluing' jobs I've done, I've used a combination of Super Blue and G96.
Making it into a thin paste. Way easier to apply and doesn't drip all over. Two application is usually sufficient.
Using a infrared thermometer and a heat gun, getting the steel above 70°c- 90°c works the best!
After your final application, neutralizing the chemical reaction is just as important too. Don't skimp, rinse well.
Then immediately cover all with oil.

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So I’ve sanded with 80 ,120,220,340,400,800 and 1500
This is best I can get it after about 8 hrs of sanding.
Is there an better way to remove the small amount of black pitting spot still left?

Sandpaper don’t seem to be removing anything else
 

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The only way to remove pitting is to remove metal till you get below them, it is what it is unfortunately. In my case the bluing did hide what I wasn’t able to remove, from a few feet away it looks fine. Up close you can see it, is what it is.

The other option I had was to fill the pitting with automotive bondo and paint or ceracoat the metal but I honestly did t think that would suit a 94.
 
Is there an better way to remove the small amount of black pitting spot still left?
If the pits are full of dirt, debris and OIL (from sanding) and you're done with sanding.
Only way to be absolutely sure the pits are clean before bluing is a ultra sound bath.
Once out of the bath (while still hot) rinse with super hot water and start bluing right away.
While submerged in the hot wtr rinse tub, use a small brass brush to scrub the inside of the receiver.
Have everything set up first. Oxidation starts immediately once out of the bath.

Okay maybe not a rifle receiver... but you get the idea ! (y)

 
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An acquaintance will boil in water to deal with red rust and pits - then card with soft steel wire brush - after three or four "turns", the red rust is pretty much black - not really noticeable when the surrounding metal is blued.
 
I’ve been sanding a lot, I don’t think its black spots but maybe shadows?

I can’t notice it as much unless im wear my 3:50 reading glasses 🤓
 
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