Revenge of bubba. The 1927 tikka twins

Come to think of it my rifle is about a half inch toolong for the average gun case. If something looks old i believe it is allways a good idea to check markings on it before trashing it. Improvising for hunting is one thing. But cutting a half inch off and a foot of wood really serves no purpose. Pluss its my understanding these fin rifles were imported aroind 1970 and at the time 54r was quite a hard round to get compaired to now. The job on this was purely someonw just hacking to make it 'better'
 
desporterizer said:
Yah, the Russian attacked with three times the numbers & suffered five times the casualties. Elephant balls those Finns had. But that doesn't really matter when it comes time to "improve" things. After all what could those "stuffy old timers" know about hitting their targets?
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if you've served in the military you'd know this is the ratio when on defense...
one platoon can hold a company...
one company can hold a battalion...
 
legi0n said:
if you've served in the military you'd know this is the ratio when on defense...
one platoon can hold a company...
one company can hold a battalion...
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I am familiar with the force ratio required to dislodge a defensive position. The soviet force (esp when considering the other assets the soviets brought to the table) should have crushed the Finns by weight of artillery alone. Not so much. The Finns only quit the first time cause they ran out of ammo & the second when they suffered almost 100% casualties.
 
Saw a few short peaces on the winter war or continuation. They fought a brutal war. Showed the finns positioning frozen soviets so they were standing up to demoralize the soviets. Men frozen to death in shallow trenches. I have the 1927 tikka a 1944 tikka 91/30 ,a 1940 tula with SA stamp and a 1944 sako m39. The receiver on the m39 was a 32 tula and the 1940 tula 91/30 i assume were both taken from bodys. Cant imagine what they've seen. Now to scrounge a bit of cash to bring the twins back together after so long.
 
Sisu is a Finnish word meaning courage,bravery or as they call it "guts".........40-1 kill ratio against the Soviets.........Harold
 
mbogo3 said:
Sisu is a Finnish word meaning courage,bravery or as they call it "guts".........40-1 kill ratio against the Soviets.........Harold
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propaganda aside, the ratio was less than 5 to 1 which is expected on offensive against a well entrenched enemy

Fins 25,904 dead or missing
Russians 126,875 dead or missing
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
Lol,
Russia admitted they had over a million dead, missing or wounded.
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could you post a reference?

There are many estimates of the number of the Soviet casualties. The official Soviet figure in 1940 was 48,745 dead. In 1990, Mikhail Semiryaga claimed 53,522 dead and N. I. Baryshnikov 53,500 dead. In the early 1990s, Grigoriy Krivosheyev claimed 126,875 dead and missing, and total casualties 391,783. Yuri Kilin in 1999 claimed 63,990 dead, total casualties 271,528 men; in 2007 he revised the estimate of dead to 134,000 dead.[SUP][19][/SUP] The results of the Krivosheyev's research group has a "semi-official" status.
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legi0n said:
propaganda aside, the ratio was less than 5 to 1 which is expected on offensive against a well entrenched enemy

Fins 25,904 dead or missing
Russians 126,875 dead or missing
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If that was true the allies would have had a much harder time in Normandy than they did.
 
After doing some perusing, I can only find general numbers & I am not going to list the references but they tend to be similar across various sources. From d-day to late Aug 44 Allies 2,100,000 men invaded and Germany had in the neighborhood of 500,000-1,000,000. Allied killed or wounded, 200,000. German killed or wounded 200,000 (roughly) 200,000 captured. Both attacking forces had vast superiority in artillery & air support. These admittedly rough numbers are at least based in reality & not the always under reported Soviet numbers. Judging by these numbers, the allies had a much easier time in Normandy than the soviets had in Finland.
 
desporterizer said:
After doing some perusing, I can only find general numbers & I am not going to list the references but they tend to be similar across various sources. From d-day to late Aug 44 Allies 2,100,000 men invaded and Germany had in the neighborhood of 500,000-1,000,000. Allied killed or wounded, 200,000. German killed or wounded 200,000 (roughly) 200,000 captured. Both attacking forces had vast superiority in artillery & air support. These admittedly rough numbers are at least based in reality & not the always under reported Soviet numbers. Judging by these numbers, the allies had a much easier time in Normandy than the soviets had in Finland.
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Let's revise those numbers a bit

In April and May 1944, the Allied air forces lost nearly 12,000 men and over 2,000 aircraft in operations which paved the way for D-Day.

The Allied casualties figures for D-Day have generally been estimated at 10,000, including 2500 dead. Broken down by nationality, the usual D-Day casualty figures are approximately 2700 British, 946 Canadians, and 6603 Americans. However recent painstaking research by the US National D-Day Memorial Foundation has achieved a more accurate - and much higher - figure for the Allied personnel who were killed on D-Day. They have recorded the names of individual Allied personnel killed on 6 June 1944 in Operation Overlord, and so far they have verified 2499 American D-Day fatalities and 1915 from the other Allied nations, a total of 4414 dead (much higher than the traditional figure of 2500 dead). Further research may mean that these numbers will increase slightly in future. The details of this research will in due course be available on the Foundation's website at www.dday.org. This new research means that the casualty figures given for individual units in the next few paragraphs are no doubt inaccurate, and hopefully more accurate figures will one day be calculated.

Casualties on the British beaches were roughly 1000 on Gold Beach and the same number on Sword Beach. The remainder of the British losses were amongst the airborne troops: some 600 were killed or wounded, and 600 more were missing; 100 glider pilots also became casualties. The losses of 3rd Canadian Division at Juno Beach have been given as 340 killed, 574 wounded and 47 taken prisoner.

The breakdown of US casualties was 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured. Of the total US figure, 2499 casualties were from the US airborne troops (238 of them being deaths). The casualties at Utah Beach were relatively light: 197, including 60 missing. However, the US 1st and 29th Divisions together suffered around 2000 casualties at Omaha Beach.

The total German casualties on D-Day are not known, but are estimated as being between 4000 and 9000 men.
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Why does someone allways have nothing better to do then to start a fight on here. I sware if gun owners stopped arguing with eachother and putthat agression to gun laws we would have turret mounted miniguns on smartcars by the end of the week. Both sides suffered massive losses. For the amount of people and lack of equipment the fins proved to be a force not easy to defeat.
 
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