Revolver by Higham of Liverpool: Owned by Major Selwyn New of the Madras Staff Corps

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I recently acquired a very interesting piece; It's a mid-nineteenth century revolver that was once owned by a Major Selwyn New of the Madras Staff Corps. His calling card is still inside the wooden case, along with the tiny key for the lock. It's engraved E. & G. Higham, Liverpool, but I wonder if they really made the gun, or just sold it? Does anybody know? It's registered as a .38, but I'm not convinced that's correct.

I did a little research on Major New and found that his Indian Mutiny medal sold in the UK for £330. Here's his bio:

Selwyn New was born in Clifton, near Bristol, on 5 March 1829, and educated at King’s College School, London. He was nominated to be a Cadet in the Madras Infantry for the season of 1848 and appointed Ensign in December of that year. He arrived in Madras in April 1849 where he was at first appointed to do duty with the 15th Madras N.I., and transferred to the 33rd N.I. in September 1849. In 1857-58, New served with the Kamptee Movable Column in the Saugor and Nerbudda Territories and in Raepore Deistrict, and was present at Moorwarah on 6 November 1857, and at the affairs of Kooaguan and Junapee. He was mentioned in the despatch of Major R. S. Sullivan concerning these operations (Calcutta Gazette 10 July 1858).

Promoted to Major in December 1868, he spent the next six years doing general duty as Staff Corps at Sumbulpore and at Secunderabad. He was promoted to Lieutenant-Colonel in December 1874, as Wing Officer 29th N.I., and retired in April 1877. He became Hon. Colonel shortly afterwards and died on 27 December 1877.

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If you check the cartridges in your case, you will fnd that they are not .38s. They are .380 Boxer.

These are ANCESTRAL to the entire family of .38 cartridges, but they are not identical.

Since starting to read this thread, I have gotten out a brand-new 1933 Enfield revolver and several original 1868/'69 .380 Boxer rounds and tried them together. The Boxer round is loose in the Enfield chamber both sideways and fore-and-aft. I think the Boxer rounds are loose enough that it is likely they would split (if you could get them to fire).

Taking this in reverse, I would think the chambers of your nice 1868-period revolver likely would be awfully tight if tried with modern ammunition..... unless it were made so out-of-spec that it wasn't even funny. Likely, modern ammo won't even fit.

I would call them different cartridges completely, but then, I've only been at this for the last 50 years.

That is a Very Nice Toy.

Thanks for showing her to us.... and especially thanks for the background on such a great specimen. This one is from a time when ART was an everyday thing.
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Yes its a 380 get that gun deregistered.
Just take pics of the gun and state that it is not made in any SD&W or Colt cartridges its a 380 not a 38 anything.
Once its deregistered it makes the gun more collectable as it them enjoys perscribed antique status.
I will try and find out exactly what it is for you. could be a webley bought by that company and they put there name on it.
 
Webley made quite a few pistols, revolvers, rifles and shotguns for other companies putting that companies name on it. There were kind of the "Cooey" of Canada. What a lovely little revolver in wonderful shape. nice find!!

Scott
 
Carefully remove the grips.Look under the frame at the back.See if it has an AF with a crown.If so its an Auguste Francotte of Belgium.Or if theres any other markings.Dave
 
I just checked my new Webley book its a webley Pre RIC most were 442 caliber tho they were also 380 cf ones to.
theres one in the book exact like your gun. pages 16 17 and 18 in
Webley solid frame Revolvers
Models RIC MP and No 5

Great book by the way all in full colour 288 pages
 
Thanks for all the great information. I really appreciate the help. I'm going to get the revolver deregistered asap. Happy New Year!

I just found a photograph of a very similar Pre-RIC Webley on www.gunboards.com. Click here to see the original thread.

And I just received an email from Joel who said: ".380 is very likely. That style of revolver was made by Webley between 1865 and 1870 so 1868 sounds right. It looks like it has a proofmark on the side of the frame which would mean it was made post-June 1868."

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© Photograph copyright: Joel Black.
 
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