Revolver Teams at 2009 Canadain IPSC Nationals
- Thread starter tweetyj
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If we wold have had 10 revolver shooters registered for the 2008 Nationals, there would have been a trophy for them.
However i still feel that for a National Champion there has to be a certain minimum. if we use 250 as the average entry for nationals and 25% for the number, we would need 63 shooters. or as George suggested maybe we need he equivalent of a team from every section, so 9 sections 4 shooters is equal to 36. so am thinking that a number between 26 and 60 would be a fair number.
so now if you all agree with me, start petitioning your SC's to have this put on the agenda for the next NEC meeting and to have them get direction from their section on how to vote.
However i still feel that for a National Champion there has to be a certain minimum. if we use 250 as the average entry for nationals and 25% for the number, we would need 63 shooters. or as George suggested maybe we need he equivalent of a team from every section, so 9 sections 4 shooters is equal to 36. so am thinking that a number between 26 and 60 would be a fair number.
so now if you all agree with me, start petitioning your SC's to have this put on the agenda for the next NEC meeting and to have them get direction from their section on how to vote.
Maybe a dusting of the history books is in order, was there not a Champion adornedat the Nationals the first time Halifax held them??
there was a trophy for top revolver at the match but no ring if my memory serves me correctly. Sean?
There has never been a ring for revolver.
There was no ring for Production the first time it was recognized. I believe there were around 20 registrants that completed the match in Production. A ring was offered the following year contingent upon a minimum field of 35 shooters.
There was no ring for Production the first time it was recognized. I believe there were around 20 registrants that completed the match in Production. A ring was offered the following year contingent upon a minimum field of 35 shooters.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
Yessir, that's correct.
If revolver ever follows the same route as production, and standard before that - where it has a consistent growth in participation at our national events, wherever they may be- IPSC Canada will start recognizing champions.
This is the only fair solution - until that time, it will be recognized as a division if it gets the minimum participation levels before the standard "late-fee" entry date.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
The first few times...growth needed to be demonstrated...
First time it was recognized was 2002 (Halifax), right? I don't think it was recognized in 2003 (Edmonton) and the first year a ring was offered was 2004 (Barrie)?
From what I've seen. The revolver shooters may not get the quickest time on a stage but many are fast enough , and young enough to help out with stage design, construction, clean up, fundraising, RO ing and all the other mundane tasks that make this sport possible.
So a few are getting together and are hoping for a T-Shirt and a Trophy. They earned it.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
Yep - we (Halifax) did it in 2002. I made the mistake of ordering trophies before the late date for entries, so even though we only got 5 - we handed out a trophy.
Lesson Learned - always wait for the cut off date.
Production was almost was not recognized in Edmonton. Not enough shooters showed up to shoot production. Some serious cajoling on the MD's part got some ROs to shoot production to get past the minimum required - hence the improvised trophy. Those guys didn't know how close they were to competing in standard.
It was right about then (between summer 2003 and summer 2004) that production got grip and took off.
By the time Barrie came down the road; we knew from matches throughout the country that we'd have 30+ entrants in the production division (we had 37) so a ring was ordered.
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So to be clear in this matter, we are not speaking skills here, it is time consumed. I believe there are other factors that has not been considered in regards to open vs revolvers. Lets assume for this exercise that both divisions get the equal amount of time during 'walk throughs' now let's look at the other time factors and this is not all inclusive, but generally attributed to open shooters.
1. As soon as non-open competitor completes his/her stage and range is declared safe, run to target and slowly patch as to get additional time to observe .
2. Time it so that when all patching is done you are at the most back target and slowly walk back in order to get a bigger picture of target positioning.
3. Just before your open team is called to huddle and discuss latest tactic while RO is patiently waiting
4. Before getting to the firing line and patient RO, take one last quick look at the target array.
5. On the firing line, close eyes and raise arms and go though the stage mentally
6. Load and make ready, hold tight on gun, close eyes, nod head in direction of targets
7. When stage is complete, whine that you may of hit a 'c'
8. Follow RO when scoring targets, if 'c' is called, argue that it has cut the line, have RO use plastic thing to gauge hole, dispute that and call for a CRO to make determination.
9 etc......
Abman
Roger that Abman. You have listed a very short overview of WHY I stopped doing NROI work after six years of it with even another two dozen variations. The corollary to this is that when I shot matches I did so for the past few years with a S&W 625 Revolver and had a lot of fun as well as encouraged others to participate. I have read all the posts here and while there is a lot of talk about rings and awards and trophies there is precious little of the "Spirit of the Game" here or WHY it would even be worthwhile to become an expert revolver shooter versus with a self loader. Groups in Open, Modified, Standard or Production might want to consider ENCOURAGING others to "just show up with a revolver". The other aspect is to consider how in IDPA revolver is a major player as to classes. You do get what you expect.
