Re: The OP's statement of his belief. How on earth can you suggest that the RFB is the best rifle ever (EVER!) unless you've fired multiple versions of every other rifle that falls into the same category AS WELL AS multiple versions (of multiple generations) of the RFB? To do so otherwise simply shows a lack of maturity.
RFB - best.. rifle.. ever.
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I not a real good hunter, but I just took my fourt deer with my my rfb, that's 4 deer kill with the rfb and I didn't shoot and miss one. Now I am not a great shot and this is no .5 moa gun but it works! And for me its perfect for hunting, its a bit heavy to carry around ( that's me realizing that I am out of shape this year
) but you can just hold that sucker on target forever with out getting tired !Now NO its no battle proven rifle and some people's had problems with there rfb's but like everything else the bad reviews finf there way on the internet and most of the good don't. You can easily find a bunch of review about failure to feed from the tavor the mil spec god rifle but it seems all you ear here its that its bomb proof! Yes the tavor it battle proven, yes its a awsome rifle, but its, like the rfb mechanics and mechanics break. I do believe that the tavor as a smaller percentage of problematic unit then the rfb and thus is a more "dependable " rifle ; but I'm just getting tired of all the " rfb suck and tavor is perfect crap" god people get over your ego its not cause you love your rifle that the one you love less or had a bad experience with sucks!
As stated by other eveb the Springfield m1a have lots of problems. I had a norico m14 go harpoon on me on the fourt round years ago there goes your battle proven thing... but no the norc m14 don't all suck, I bought one this year and love it. You guys seen the rail on that knight armament bought at csc I think this winter? It was terrible , does that mean there are a sub par company? Hell no.
One last thing so the rfb is not a moa gun, more a 1.5 -2 . So what's the problem here ? Does the tavor do any better? Its not a sniper rifle, if it claime to be then wed have a problem, does some heavy stainless barrel ar10 kick is ass at the range? Well yes but your talking about a specialized wepon in that target ar10. I dare anyone to come walk a day in the wood with a moa fourty some inch long 12-14 pound ar10 ( hypothetically) and show me how its a better gun! For the love of pete you guys are comparing apple to oranges. Its like arguing witch utensil is better to eat they all serve a diffrent purpose or witch car is better a honda civic , ford f150 or a smart car; it all depends on what you want to do....
Look my rfb as ben 100% and so has cr5, all they all like that? No but I would say there probably 98% like that and there life time warranty. .. sorry its not 99% flawless like the tavor!!!! Get over it already!
Sorry for the rant guy's I just had to let it out, tdc and all the other rfb detractors, I respect your opinions and don't wish to pic a fight its just that the rfb bassing is getting old...
I dunno about you guys but I use my RFB for hunting, so for me to put 6000 rnds down the pipe is a lot of years and animals and I bet it will still shoot fine for many more rounds as that is a minimum spec on a rifle to take in to account hard use and abuse
Reread the post you quoted "expected LIFE of 6000...". The warranty on your car means it will run without listed parts failure for the duration and/or said parts are covered should they fail. They don't say your car is scrap at said point. Big difference.
Most handgun manufacturers recommend changing recoil springs between 5 and 10 thousand rounds. By comparison your rifle is essentially scrap at the same point. Sounds like a solid investment for 2700 bucks.
Tdc
Eta: at that price and that lifepsan. Each shot costs your 45 cents of your investment just in wear and tear. Add in an easy 55 cents per round for cheap surplus and each pull of the trigger costs you a dollar. Of which none of it is recoverable.
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I doubt they cover the barrel wearing out but considering the quality of steel and the chrome lining I would expect to get more like 15000 rounds out of it before it would be considered wore out.
I know the Tavor is fielded by the Israeli military but has it actually seen combat? It has passed the tests and is a great firearm but what wars has it actually been proven in?
The tilting block semi auto of the RFB is nothing new and has seen combat. The FAL mag has been around for years and has seen combat. Kel-Tec has simply taken two proven designs and incorporated them into a new fully ambidextrous bullpup design with a cool front ejection system.
I don't expect any militaries to be fielding them but it is a reliable design built by a company who's reputation was smeared a few years ago when they put out a couple crap firearms and those that heard about them have never forgiven them. Kel-Tec has had a few issues with their new firearms but most are reliable when set up properly. It's too bad they didn't incorporate a self regulating gas system, if they had you wouldn't hear about many people having problems.
TDC, The RFB is not fixed LOP, you can buy spacers. The AR with fixed A2 stock is fixed LOP, does that make it crap?
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A manufacture has to be very stupid to cover normal ware and tear under their warranty.
Not really, it's a good selling point and I bet the vast majority of users would never fire enough rounds to wear out any parts. Just think of how much 1000 rounds of store bought .308 would cost.
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Manfuacturors that have warranty on their barrel is like a car manufacture having lifetime warranty on the car tiresz
Tavor is also used by the indian special forces called the MARCOS. And dude the Israelis are fighting on pretty much all their fronts all the time. I am almost 100% positive the tavor has seen action.
I don't know much about the tilting block action myself so I won't comment on it. Fal mags are definitely proven, granted they are made by a reputable manufcaturer(same way I don't buy norinco GI mags, but I have some D&H mags). Fixed lop to me is a limitation not a deal breaker. If the rifle fits me(like the aug) it's not a problem but adjustability is definitely a plus point for me, and definitely a must for a BEST rifle(it needs to fit more people than just me). I did not know the RFB was spacer adjustable. Learn something new every day. The forward ejection sounds iffy to me, it did for the fs2000 and it does for this as well.
Personally I want to wait a few years to see before I concretely use this arguement, but now that it's available I would say if you are in the 2.5kish market for a 308 semi auto you could look at a famae sg542.
That's all I had to say on that matter. I don't see why this thread is still rolling so hot, most of us already deduced that the RFB is a neat unorthodox hunting rifle but not the most bestest rifle evah.
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Two problems with your post. Most stocks are too long not too short. Second, if you can't adjust your lop without tools and additional pieces, your system sucks. Yes an a2 AR stock is also crap. Adjustable stocks aren't for storage and transport, they actually serve a real purpose.
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