RFB - best.. rifle.. ever.

[cr5]

Have you ever heard of civil war or civil unrest? Perhaps economic collapse or natural disasters? Aside from those obvious possibilities, if your gear is tried and tested by known militaries for hard use. Then you can rest assured you will never have any with it at the range, out hunting or defending life and property.

Tdc

That is not only a possibility it's coming faster than most realize. It's going to happen in the US but since we share a border and are major trading partners what happens there will happen here. Get ready for a serious change in the way we live. Stock up on non perishable food and have a supply of fresh water ready.
And make sure you buy lots of tin foil, we're gonna need hats

Prepare yourselves.

I agree to a point with having a high quality proven rifle on hand for such an event but hopefully most of us have an AR or other quality battle rifle just in case and then also have some fun and cool firearms like the RFB, not everything you own has to be a battle proven rifle. I love my RFB but it's definitely not the first rifle I would grab in a SHTF or WROL situation. Not only is it not battle proven but I don't want a 308 with it's bulky and heavy ammo (compared to a .223), unless the zombies or invading bands of pillagers are wearing body armor a 223 will stop them just as well as a 308, and if they are wearing armor I've got a few surprises for them .

 

[TDC]

That is not only a possibility it's coming faster than most realize. It's going to happen in the US but since we share a border and are major trading partners what happens there will happen here. Get ready for a serious change in the way we live. Stock up on non perishable food and have a supply of fresh water ready.
And make sure you buy lots of tin foil, we're gonna need hats

Prepare yourselves.

I agree to a point with having a high quality proven rifle on hand for such an event but hopefully most of us have an AR or other quality battle rifle just in case and then also have some fun and cool firearms like the RFB, not everything you own has to be a battle proven rifle. I love my RFB but it's definitely not the first rifle I would grab in a SHTF or WROL situation. Not only is it not battle proven but I don't want a 308 with it's bulky and heavy ammo (compared to a .223), unless the zombies or invading bands of pillagers are wearing body armor a 223 will stop them just as well as a 308, and if they are wearing armor I've got a few surprises for them .

To each their own, but if I can't or won't trust my life to it I won't own it. proven designs are fun too. I would sooner stock up on ammo and training than own a toy.

Tdc

 

[8 ball]

I think this is the cause of our disagreement. You're thinking "combat rifle". We're not at war, except in your mind.

This is Canada. The AR15 is restricted. You can't carry. We're not at war.

Now I really feel like we're comparing a Ferrari vs a Humvee. You're thinking army games, and I'm thinking civilian use. Yeah - I wouldn't use a Ferrari in a warzone either, but guess what?



Yeah. What "harm's way" are you talking about here? I certainly wouldn't be using a Tavor vs a Grizzly - the only real thing that can harm us in Canada that a rifle might be good for. Unless of course you're talking about a war, that nobody here is fighting.

Fair enough. Let's rephrase that.

"The RFB will never come close to being as reliable as a Tavor - or most other semi auto "black" rifles.

You are correct that I will likely never use my RFB in any kind of combat or self defence situation. That doesn't mean that I don't want it to work all the time. That is like saying a certain make of race car is "the best one out there" because it is fast, but only finishes the race half the time because it breaks down.
Please understand that I am not trying to "bash" the RFB. I am simply saying that it has a long ways to go to be "Best. Rifle. Ever." A long , long ways. Again, simply my opinion, based on my personal experiences with them.

 

[8 ball]

snip. I love my RFB but it's definitely not the first rifle I would grab in a SHTF or WROL situation. snip

This is what I am saying!

 

[ztunelover]

You've obviously never driven a high performance car. What you described "running an assortment of mags.. blah blah" is synonymous with a pickup. A Ferrari by comparison is more sophisticated but takes only premium fuel, only certain tires to function properly, and only certain oils to run properly which is closer to the RFB. So my analogy is correct.

Oh I wouldn't make assumptions like that

A ferrari would function just fine on any tires given they are the correct size, people don't buy junk tires for them because they can afford better, plus I have yet to see ferrari owners having to modify tires to make them fit on the rims. Lets do this mag to tire thing, how does the finest rfb mags perform in comparison to hk417 mags? On any test, durability, longetivity, smooth feeding with no binding? The high octane fuel rating is due to an extremely high compression tight tolerance engine that chucks out immense amount of power, so lets do this high octane fuel to accuracy, the ferrari is one of the fastest, best handling vehicles. By that analogy the rfb should be a 1/4 moa rifle. Is it? Certain oils for it to run? This is not exclusive to ferrari, you need to run the correct fluids in any car, if your civic is rated for 0w20 oil you don't put in 15w40 diesel. So that only the certain oils arguement holds no water because it is universally applicable to any vehicle, engine oil doesn't belong in the power steering pump, regardless of make.

Ferraris in summation is an extremely high performance vehicle that is designed to post blistering lap times on a track and still be street legal and driveable, it's a very specialized vehicle for a very limited role and can only be owned by a select few

You wanted to play the car to gun analogy this is your ferrari of guns. Only accepts ai mags, because anyone that can afford this can afford the mags, is one the highest performance rifle, and very singular in it's focus of use, and is extremely expensive.

If you are gonna do these analogies do them correctly won't you?

 

[TheArmyMan204]

Well this thread got ridiculous...mostly because I can split a mouses pube @658 yards with my xcr open sights thus making it the best rifle ever, not the RFB. Also I have rails on all 4 sides to attach grips, lasers, lights, bi pods, IR, secondary sights, BUIS, M203 and other mission essential kit for when the collapse of Canada is upon us.

I do love my xcr but if you guys wanna at about SHTF I much sooner have a bolt gun or sks (maybe cz858) you won't be fighting an Army you'll maybe hunt a couple deer then die of exposure. (I'm a realistic prepper)

 

[NavyCuda]

Oh I wouldn't make assumptions like that

A ferrari would function just fine on any tires given they are the correct size, people don't buy junk tires for them because they can afford better, plus I have yet to see ferrari owners having to modify tires to make them fit on the rims. Lets do this mag to tire thing, how does the finest rfb mags perform in comparison to hk417 mags? On any test, durability, longetivity, smooth feeding with no binding? The high octane fuel rating is due to an extremely high compression tight tolerance engine that chucks out immense amount of power, so lets do this high octane fuel to accuracy, the ferrari is one of the fastest, best handling vehicles. By that analogy the rfb should be a 1/4 moa rifle. Is it? Certain oils for it to run? This is not exclusive to ferrari, you need to run the correct fluids in any car, if your civic is rated for 0w20 oil you don't put in 15w40 diesel. So that only the certain oils arguement holds no water because it is universally applicable to any vehicle, engine oil doesn't belong in the power steering pump, regardless of make.

Ferraris in summation is an extremely high performance vehicle that is designed to post blistering lap times on a track and still be street legal and driveable, it's a very specialized vehicle for a very limited role and can only be owned by a select few

You wanted to play the car to gun analogy this is your ferrari of guns. Only accepts ai mags, because anyone that can afford this can afford the mags, is one the highest performance rifle, and very singular in it's focus of use, and is extremely expensive.

If you are gonna do these analogies do them correctly won't you?

Perhaps you should take your own advice, especially if you're going to give out incorrect information. There are models of motor vehicles that use engine oil for the power steering system. The first that I think of is some of the older Kenworth T800s that I've worked on.

While I wouldn't recommend it, almost any high performance engine can be run on regular unleaded if it is driven lightly. When you start pushing the engine hard, premium is required to prevent pre detonation.

I use premium synthetic diesel oil in my gasoline engines and they love it. In many cases 5w40 and 15w40 do meet the requirements of the manufacture, as long as the oil is within the scale of acceptable weights and standards specified by the manufacture.

 

[ztunelover]

Perhaps you should take your own advice, especially if you're going to give out incorrect information. There are models of motor vehicles that use engine oil for the power steering system. The first that I think of is some of the older Kenworth T800s that I've worked on.

While I wouldn't recommend it, almost any high performance engine can be run on regular unleaded if it is driven lightly. When you start pushing the engine hard, premium is required to prevent pre detonation.

I use premium synthetic diesel oil in my gasoline engines and they love it. In many cases 5w40 and 15w40 do meet the requirements of the manufacture, as long as the oil is within the scale of acceptable weights and standards specified by the manufacture.

I didn't say it wouldn't run, And there will always be the wonky vehicles with weird systems but I assure you most ps pumps will fail if you feed engine oil, and yes it will run with the incorrect oil, but 1, it wont be making the specified power, 2 it would not last as long as a result due to out of tolerance oil specification, so your engine will fail sooner.

And I would love it if you were to purchase a 458 italia and demonstrate how well it runs on 87 octane. Drive it lightly? Why the hell have you bought the ferrari? So you can look cool? Just buy a mr2 and put that fake ferrari kit, 99% of the population wouldn't know better, and the 1% that would recognize won't respect you all that much if you drove it around like an old asian lady anyways.

How many miles do these engines have? What is their standard engine oil recommended specs? so you are telling me a car rated for 0w20 will return the same mileage and have no problems on cold idle or excessive bearing wear over time if I ran 15w40 in it? Because if you are I am going to call you out on that. The lubricity value alters, to a certain extent depending on operating temperatures so there is a bit of a tolerance, but running diesel oil on an engine rated for low weight oil is an extremely dumb idea, same going the other way, trying to cheap out on diesel oil by runnng 5w30 on a diesel rated for 15w40 won't end well either. I know someone that tried to run 5w30 through his f250 powerjoke, and he has learnt a very expensive lesson from that.

And the tighter the engine tolerance gets the less bull#### they are willing to put up with, when it comes to internal lubrication, and other systems that it operates. The engines are geared for maximum efficiency, while yes even a fezza will work with incorrect oil, it will fail sooner and that would be one VERY expensive lesson.

On a sidenote a kenworth t800 is not a car. It's a heavy commercial truck. Not always the same engineering now is it?

 

[NavyCuda]

I didn't say it wouldn't run, And there will always be the wonky vehicles with weird systems but I assure you most ps pumps will fail if you feed engine oil, and yes it will run with the incorrect oil, but 1, it wont be making the specified power, 2 it would not last as long as a result due to out of tolerance oil specification, so your engine will fail sooner. And I would love it if you were to purchase a 458 italia and demonstrate how well it runs on 87 octane.

As I said myself, I wouldn't recommend it. I also didn't say every, I said many high performance engines. Low compression turbocharged engines have the least issues with regular unleaded, as long as you keep the boost below 0psig. I personally run the fuel specified by the manufacture.

How many miles do these engines have? What is their standard engine oil recommended specs? so you are telling me a car rated for 0w20 will return the same mileage and have no problems on cold idle or excessive bearing wear over time if I ran 15w40 in it? Because if you are I am going to call you out on that. The lubricity value alters, to a certain extent depending on operating temperatures so there is a bit of a tolerance, but running diesel oil on an engine rated for low weight oil is an extremely dumb idea, same going the other way, trying to cheap out on diesel oil by runnng 5w30 on a diesel rated for 15w40 won't end well either. I know someone that tried to run 5w30 through his f250 powerjoke, and he has learnt a very expensive lesson from that.

My Celica had over 200,000km on it with conventional 15w40, 22RE. Engine ran beautiful but the rest of the car was too rat bagged to keep going.
My 300zx turbo had over 100,000km on it after switching it to 15w40, vg30et. Another rat bagged car.
My Maxima has ~50,000km on it so far with 5w40 Mobil Delvac 1 ESP, vg30e. 270,000km and still going strong!
My 300zx Twin Turbo has just been converted to 5w40 Mobil Delvac 1 ESP, vg30dett. I don't foresee having any issues with my oil selection in this car.

I did check the manuals when I first switched them to verify compatibility but I don't remember the factory oil fill.

On a sidenote a kenworth t800 is not a car. It's a heavy commercial truck. Not always the same engineering now is it?

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So that only the certain oils arguement holds no water because it is universally applicable to any vehicle, engine oil doesn't belong in the power steering pump, regardless of make.
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Perhaps you should have used better language to explain yourself. Class 8 trucks share many characteristics with smaller vehicles, and many differences. While I can't speak for all modern trucks, the ones that I have worked on mostly use ATF for the powersteering system. Though, I have seen engine oil as the factory specified power steering fluid so I pointed that out to you.

So you're right, comparing cars to guns is not very effective.

 

[ztunelover]

As I said myself, I wouldn't recommend it. I also didn't say every, I said many high performance engines. Low compression turbocharged engines have the least issues with regular unleaded, as long as you keep the boost below 0psig. I personally run the fuel specified by the manufacture.



My Celica had over 200,000km on it with conventional 15w40, 22RE. Engine ran beautiful but the rest of the car was too rat bagged to keep going.
My 300zx turbo had over 100,000km on it after switching it to 15w40, vg30et. Another rat bagged car.
My Maxima has ~50,000km on it so far with 5w40 Mobil Delvac 1 ESP, vg30e. 270,000km and still going strong!
My 300zx Twin Turbo has just been converted to 5w40 Mobil Delvac 1 ESP, vg30dett. I don't foresee having any issues with my oil selection in this car.

I did check the manuals when I first switched them to verify compatibility but I don't remember the factory oil fill.



Perhaps you should have used better language to explain yourself. Class 8 trucks share many characteristics with smaller vehicles, and many differences. While I can't speak for all modern trucks, the ones that I have worked on mostly use ATF for the powersteering system. Though, I have seen engine oil as the factory specified power steering fluid so I pointed that out to you.

So you're right, comparing cars to guns is not very effective.

Bingo, you hit it right in the head. Yes if the manufacturer says it's ok it's ok. But I agree not the best analogy but I stand by my inital analogy that if you were to compare a ferrari to a gun it would be an accuracy international or dsr1 or something specialized, rarified and very expensive like that.

We should probably switch this to pm because this will start to go way off topic now, have you done any modifications to the 300zx? And I was vague when I mentioned high performance I should have specified extremely high compression naturally aspirated engines like th e modern ferraris since that is what he did the analogies with. But yes as long as you can stay off the boost i agree 87 would work but unlike you I don't have the patience of a god, I can't resist boost.

 

[andrew3081]

You can find a slightly used one for $2200-$2400, not sure about the new ones.. And yes it is non restricted.

Mags rock into place, and there are different reports of accuracy around here, I have seen 1moa groups done with fine tuned reloads, but I don't seam to get better then 2-3" at 100m with factory ammo.. Takes a little while to get use to this rifle due to high maneuverability..

You can get the RFB for $2400 brand new...

 

[Shooter1of38]

Perhaps you should take your own advice, especially if you're going to give out incorrect information. There are models of motor vehicles that use engine oil for the power steering system. The first that I think of is some of the older Kenworth T800s that I've worked on.

While I wouldn't recommend it, almost any high performance engine can be run on regular unleaded if it is driven lightly. When you start pushing the engine hard, premium is required to prevent pre detonation.

I use premium synthetic diesel oil in my gasoline engines and they love it. In many cases 5w40 and 15w40 do meet the requirements of the manufacture, as long as the oil is within the scale of acceptable weights and standards specified by the manufacture.

I add 2 stroke in my daily driver's diesel fuel.

 

[NavyCuda]

I add 2 stroke in my daily driver's diesel fuel.

Stanadyne Diesel Fuel additive is a better choice than 2 stroke oil, but 2 stroke oil will add some lubricity back to the fuel.

 

[Shooter1of38]

Stanadyne Diesel Fuel additive is a better choice than 2 stroke oil, but 2 stroke oil will add some lubricity back to the fuel.

I use diesel keen along with the 2 stroke.

Engine is highly modified and I routinely tow heavy.

Even though the truck is new, they must have used poor quality fasteners....all the emission equipment fell off it.....

 

[Epoxy7]

Perhaps you should take your own advice, especially if you're going to give out incorrect information. There are models of motor vehicles that use engine oil for the power steering system. The first that I think of is some of the older Kenworth T800s that I've worked on.

While I wouldn't recommend it, almost any high performance engine can be run on regular unleaded if it is driven lightly. When you start pushing the engine hard, premium is required to prevent pre detonation.

I use premium synthetic diesel oil in my gasoline engines and they love it. In many cases 5w40 and 15w40 do meet the requirements of the manufacture, as long as the oil is within the scale of acceptable weights and standards specified by the manufacture.

Pssst. Shell Roteilla 0W40. Their 5W40 is a blend but the 0W40 is pure synthetic. I noticed a decent amount in fuel savings and cold starts with my 7.3 litre powerstroke when I was up North. Haven't used it for my car, but it sure works well in the diesel. Especially a diesel that needs about 15 litres.

Wonder how it would work on my RFB?

 

[NavyCuda]

Pssst. Shell Roteilla 0W40. Their 5W40 is a blend but the 0W40 is pure synthetic. I noticed a decent amount in fuel savings and cold starts with my 7.3 litre powerstroke when I was up North. Haven't used it for my car, but it sure works well in the diesel. Especially a diesel that needs about 15 litres.

Wonder how it would work on my RFB?

Oil will still dry out and run off. Grease is the optimal lubricant for a rifle that is not being used in high dust enviroments.

Even the 5w40 helps a fair amount with cold starts, but 0w40 was impressive for cold starting. My only issue with 0w40 is the higher rate of oil consumption.

 

[mildcustom2]

Oil will still dry out and run off. Grease is the optimal lubricant for a rifle that is not being used in high dust enviroments.

Even the 5w40 helps a fair amount with cold starts, but 0w40 was impressive for cold starting. My only issue with 0w40 is the higher rate of oil consumption.

Holy thread derailment. If you can't beat them might as well join them.

I run a little bit of 2 stroke oil in my Unimogs Diesel fuel. According to the factory I can add a bit of gasoline to the mix to help with cold starting. Boy she sure runs like a sack of chit and smokes like hell until she warms up in the winter. Thankfully it doesn't get that cold in the Fraser Valley compared to somewhere like winterpeg.

 

[NavyCuda]

Holy thread derailment. If you can't beat them might as well join them.

I run a little bit of 2 stroke oil in my Unimogs Diesel fuel. According to the factory I can add a bit of gasoline to the mix to help with cold starting. Boy she sure runs like a sack of chit and smokes like hell until she warms up in the winter. Thankfully it doesn't get that cold in the Fraser Valley compared to somewhere like winterpeg.

Funny how conversations do that sometimes.

Time to get this thread back on track! Someone post some dirty pictures of the RFB with its cover off!

 

[mildcustom2]

I always wonder how many people hunt with there RFB, its one of the main reasons I bought mine. Unfortunately I've been to busy working to get out with mine this year but next year for sure I'm taking it into the bush hunting.

 

[cr5]

I always wonder how many people hunt with there RFB, its one of the main reasons I bought mine. Unfortunately I've been to busy working to get out with mine this year but next year for sure I'm taking it into the bush hunting.

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Does that answer your question?

This was last years deer, haven't had time to get out much this year.
He turned into tasty pepperoni