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Why is it that the Savage Tupperware stock and Remingtons version called the Houge Overmold stocks are even put on thier Precision /Tactical /LE market rifles is the mark up on these rifles so low that the manufacturers have use pathetic stocks to sell there rifles or is it that wood stocks just don't sell in todays market place.?????
 
They are not impressive at all. I have to agree. I think they are cashing in on using these cheap plastic stocks. My Savage stock had very inconsistent bedding and the flexibility of the foreend was excessive. I'd far rather have a laminate given the option.
 
Can anyone name an ERT or SWAT team that is using one? They are factory rifles made to look more impressive than they really are. They are "precision" in style only. A true "precision" rifle would be sold bedded, accurized and with a match quality barrel. These are consumer products and priced as such. There is a reason that AI's, M24's, and the like are priced the way they are, and 10FP's and "5r Milspec" rifles sell for what they do.
 
Can anyone name an ERT or SWAT team that is using one? They are factory rifles made to look more impressive than they really are. They are "precision" in style only. A true "precision" rifle would be sold bedded, accurized and with a match quality barrel. These are consumer products and priced as such. There is a reason that AI's, M24's, and the like are priced the way they are, and 10FP's and "5r Milspec" rifles sell for what they do.
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Hey come on now, my 5R say "Milspec" so it must be good!:D

Though honestly the AI's & M24's on the other hand are overpriced for what you get. I think the real value lies somewhere in the middle.
 
Savage is stepping up and listening to our complaints. ALL 'tupperwear' stocks will have alum chassis in the very near future.

Still fibre composite plastic outside but similar skeleton as the HS, Choate, Stockade products. They will even pay attention to the shape of the lug area so that the action is 'pulled' into the bedding as you tighten the action screws.

Supposed to not change the price of their rifles much.

Can't wait to see them arrive.

Jerry
 
When I bought my 10 FP in 223 3 yrs ago I bought a McMillan stock shortly after for it because it only came with a tupperware model. I am not adverse to spending money to get something good but it iratates me to no end
 
"...is it that wood stocks..." Good/suitable stock wood is getting very expensive. Costs less to put a synthetic stock on and market it as 'tactical'.
 
Low price point for entry level shooters. I defy anyone to say that the McMillan on the Savage 10FP LE2B (old model number) is a garbage stock. Not everyone that wants to play the tactical game can afford or justify a $1200 rifle bare bones and a $1700 scope with $250 worth of rings and bases.

I love how the snobs come out when they're bashing what they consider to be an "inferior" piece of gear.
 
'Don't think it matters... Y'all might think your uber expensive rig will shoot better than a Rem.700 action duct taped to a 2x4, but when I see guys with custom fitted AI's getting waaayyy out shot by guys with of the shelf 700's I figure the stock stocks are good enough.
 
Factory plastic stocks are simply cashing in on the black look and the fact that some shooters don't know the difference between the plastic crap and a quality fibreglass stock.

Plus the plastic is very cheap to make... it would not surprise me if they only cost the factory $20...

Wood on the other hand is labour intensive and expensive to start with...
 
guntech said:
Factory plastic stocks are simply cashing in on the black look and the fact that some shooters don't know the difference between the plastic crap and a quality fibreglass stock.

Plus the plastic is very cheap to make... it would not surprise me if they only cost the factory $20...

Wood on the other hand is labour intensive and expensive to start with...
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If Remington PSS barrels cost Remington 24.00 ea just how much are these cheap tupperware stock costing them
 
If you want a nice factory wood stock, buy a remington VLS. Varmint laminated stock. The laminate also solves the moisture problem most wood stocks have. I like the finish better on the gun too. The black oxide on the remington rifles looks cheap. They didn't even bother to put on true parkerizing, but they're black and that's what sells.
 
guntech said:
Factory plastic stocks are simply cashing in on the black look and the fact that some shooters don't know the difference between the plastic crap and a quality fibreglass stock.

Plus the plastic is very cheap to make... it would not surprise me if they only cost the factory $20...

Wood on the other hand is labour intensive and expensive to start with...
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I think the reason most tupperware stocks are black is that is a simple way to unifomly color all the various colored recycled plastic from milk jugs, pop bottles, slurpee cups and any other plastic garbage that makes it to a recycle bin.
The reason so many manufacturers are using tupperware for stocks, mags bolt shrouds etc is simple, it is cheap, which means larger profits for the makers. In todays anti gun, pro profit world the bottom line is what is almighty.
The makers have figured out most "bubbas" are more interested in cheap rather than quality. Look at many of the threads on this forum, there are alot of "who has cheapest...." threads. I have not noticed nearly as many "who has best product regardless of price and why..." threads.

The majority of shooters are those who shoot 1 box of ammo per year, so a cheap rifle is the way to go.
Those who are actually involved in shooting sports, or take their hunting more seriously do spend the money on their equipment and ammo, but this catagory of gun owner is likely well under 25% of the gun owners in North America.

Good wood as you know is getting harder to find and is very expensive.
Fiberglass stocks also costs far more to make than tupperware 1s.
Thank God Remington makes the SPS rifles, at least that way we can still get cheap actions, now all we need to find is a SPS stock recycler;)
 
Max Owner said:
Better to have a cheap rifle and get out and shoot then have no rifle at all.
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Maybe, but bad habits gained by shooting rifles that don't fit the shooter are very hard to loose.
Tupperware stocks typically don't fit anyone well, causing guys to crawl the stock. They also transfer more recoil on to the shooter, due to design causing flinches. Both of these are hard to loose once ingrained in the brain and muscles.
I believe it is better to wait a bit longer and save for a rifle that has a decent stock on it. The stock is the most expensive part to upgrade, most stocks are more expensive than the action if purchased after the fact.
 
I have had a few 10FP's and for what they cost, I was more then happy with 100 yard results. I did a few things to the stock that cost me less then $40.00 that made a world of difference. Now that being said, they do not at all compare to what McMillan or HS puts out, even the Bell & Carlson Medalist, which is a great stock for the money. I have to say though, after seeing my friends newly modified VLS stock, I really like wood. He stippled the grip area and forend with stippling similar to how Nill stipples his out of this world grips. He then use a torch to lightly burn the stippled area and then sanded the other areas and stained it black, looks out of this world. One thing to consider, a Savage 10FP is cheap enough that you can replace the stock with say a B&C Medalist and still not break the bank.
 
Speaking of wood, who makes high quality wood stocks?

I'd love to take a modern high quality 700 type action and bed it in a stock not unlike the original on the army Parker-Hale C3 (M82). I recently held a Sauer 202 Match and the stock was beautiful.
 
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