Rob Furlong Marksmanship Academy

Longshot said:
People should master the basics before getting carried away with all the PRS stuff flying around right now. I've seen many people in square range competition talk the talk and then thunder in because they didn't master the basics.
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That's not required at all.

Come out and shoot. Provided your equipment is prepared for such a shooting event, it's a great time with great people. It's written into the rule book that helping others is advised. No sport will grow unless it reaches more than the hardcore few.

I had zero PRS experience and I finished middle of the group both times. First with the only semi auto and .223 (AR-15), and the next with my bolt gun.

That said, I do have 1000's of rounds long range experience as a hobbyist, but that stuff can be taught easily. The real challenge is barricades, running your gear, and thinking. Some fitness, etc. It's just fun.

I highly suggest people to try. In any shooting discipline. I can't say I've had a bad experience doing pistol speed, long range, PRS, 3G, shotgun sporting clays, 5-stand and trap. I can't say I'm super involved in any specific one, but I've done competitions is many shooting disciplines and have had many great times.
 
Longshot said:
People should master the basics before getting carried away with all the PRS stuff flying around right now. I've seen many people in square range competition talk the talk and then thunder in because they didn't master the basics.
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Or at least get some basic shooting skills down. The unfortunate thing is that many, believe they can walk or run before they crawl and enlisting in a course is going to replace having to spend some reasonable time behind the butt of a gun.
 
Shibby! said:
Wow. $850 is a tough pill to take.
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How much is your time worth?

How many days on the range, how many rounds ($) would you fire, how many gun gadgets ($) will you buy, how much frustration through trial-and-error are you willing to go through?

Or you could short-cut all that, and learn to do it right the first time. Rob will help you master the basics faster, cheaper and easier than you would on your own.

Take the courses. Rent his gear.

Ben
Sierra 64
 
I'll admit I've spent thousands testing, learning, going differ routes, etc. I also had a very good teacher whom built a lot of guys guns on this forum. We've gone separate ways but he was a wealth of info.

I do value learning your own gear, so I think I would still advise that, but I'm fortunate enough to have quality gear where some may not.

The price is still quite steep in my opinion, but if people feel the value is there, have at it.
 
I have never taken a formal course but one of my regular shooting buddies is ex cf and has taken a crapload of shooting courses from big names in the states. He teaches me something or corrects bad habits almost any time we go out. I would love to take robs course but the cash for that just isnt in the cards right now. People that say the old that can buy a pile of ammo already have the wrong attitude. No matter what level you think you are at when you receive top level instruction you will learn something. $850 for a course could save you a pile of money doing things the wrong way and building poor habits.
 
Shibby! said:
I too find this interesting that you tend to comment often, but never show. I know that's a snarky comment, but you tend to do this all the time.
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I missed the two inaugural matches at the new range and I 'tend to do this all the time'? That's a bit dramatic...

Shibby! said:
It somewhat reduces the value of your comments. What's the saying? - Lip service is cheap.
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Yep sure is. It's even moreso on the Internet.
There is also another saying: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Shibby! said:
I could no doubt have done better, but I don't think I finished poorly. I did it for fun. And it was. Great bunch of people and fun sporting event.
Would I pay $850 to learn what appears to be relatively basic information (using his course breakdown descriptions) from an ex-sniper, maybe, or would I pay $500 USD from the industry leader in ballistic engineering and rocket science?
I'm sure he has a thing to two for me to learn. Not to mention he provides you with all his big dollar software and books when you apply for the course, essentially making the course nearly free.
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Awesome. You seem to have it all figured out then.
 
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Shibby! said:
That's not required at all.

Come out and shoot. Provided your equipment is prepared for such a shooting event, it's a great time with great people. It's written into the rule book that helping others is advised. No sport will grow unless it reaches more than the hardcore few.

I had zero PRS experience and I finished middle of the group both times. First with the only semi auto and .223 (AR-15), and the next with my bolt gun.

That said, I do have 1000's of rounds long range experience as a hobbyist, but that stuff can be taught easily. The real challenge is barricades, running your gear, and thinking. Some fitness, etc. It's just fun.

I highly suggest people to try. In any shooting discipline. I can't say I've had a bad experience doing pistol speed, long range, PRS, 3G, shotgun sporting clays, 5-stand and trap. I can't say I'm super involved in any specific one, but I've done competitions is many shooting disciplines and have had many great times.
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Well it is required if you want to do well. If you don't mind going out, throwing lead downrange and finishing middle of the pack that's great, fill your boots. It is fun for sure! I'm NOT saying don't go out and try it. All I'm saying is that most people would benefit from far more work on basic things, like the things that RFMA will teach on their level 1 course, than to jump headlong into PRS style moving and positional shooting, when they don't have a firm grasp on firing a perfect shot in prone let alone wrapped around a pile of pipes or something.
 
cdnshooter said:
How much is your time worth?

How many days on the range, how many rounds ($) would you fire, how many gun gadgets ($) will you buy, how much frustration through trial-and-error are you willing to go through?

Or you could short-cut all that, and learn to do it right the first time. Rob will help you master the basics faster, cheaper and easier than you would on your own.

Take the courses. Rent his gear.

Ben
Sierra 64
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Agreed. $850 is pretty reasonable.
 
cdnshooter said:
How much is your time worth?

How many days on the range, how many rounds ($) would you fire, how many gun gadgets ($) will you buy, how much frustration through trial-and-error are you willing to go through?

Or you could short-cut all that, and learn to do it right the first time. Rob will help you master the basics faster, cheaper and easier than you would on your own.

Take the courses. Rent his gear.

Ben
Sierra 64
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Amen
 
There are other course providers out there that could be worth a look. Maybe a quick phone call to each could help you hone in on the best for your needs.

I have never heard of Sierra 64 but he offers courses (obviously), Shadowtech (or something like that from the Calgary Shooting Centre) and there is also Dale Campbell in Calgary. Shooting with Dale is worth it because that guy has had one heck of an interesting life (I am 90% certain he was a ninja at some point).

Whatever you choose let us know how it went.
 
Longshot said:
Well it is required if you want to do well. If you don't mind going out, throwing lead downrange and finishing middle of the pack that's great, fill your boots. It is fun for sure! I'm NOT saying don't go out and try it. All I'm saying is that most people would benefit from far more work on basic things, like the things that RFMA will teach on their level 1 course, than to jump headlong into PRS style moving and positional shooting, when they don't have a firm grasp on firing a perfect shot in prone let alone wrapped around a pile of pipes or something.
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It's a different skill to punching small holes while in prone. I can teach somebody who has never shot a rifle before to do that in 10 minutes. It's also a far different skill to shooting long range.

Hence my point. Those skills have little to do with PRS. I'm a good example. If you can't practice PRS, go shoot it. That's excellent practice and a good time.

I've heard there is a CDN sniper who may be starting up training courses in Saskatchewan. I'll likely be going to check out what his courses has to offer if it goes ahead.
 
Shibby! said:
It's a different skill to punching small holes while in prone. I can teach somebody who has never shot a rifle before to do that in 10 minutes. It's also a far different skill to shooting long range.

Hence my point. Those skills have little to do with PRS. I'm a good example. If you can't practice PRS, go shoot it. That's excellent practice and a good time.
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You need to know the basics in anything you do.......

But I guess Longshot being a three time and defending NSCC champion is out to lunch on this........Lol.......NOT!!! ;)
 
I hope to take in Rob Furlong's precision rifle training in the near future. I've taken some very good precision rifle courses in the US and it is nice to see more of these offered in Canada. The only issue I have is none of these course operators recognize any previous training you may have taken by other reputable instructors. Some don't even recognize any military marksmanship training a person may have. I have found that every course provider wants you to take their basic introduction course before letting you take more advanced training. I can understand they don't know who you are or your skills, but on the flip side, it may not be worth spending money to repeat the basics you may already have. Although rental gear is available, it is best to use your own gear to get the most of a course. I know people who had their own gear but opted for the instructors rental gear and regretted it after the fact.
 
titch-- said:
Can you tell us who that would be?
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At the moment I don't know. I heard through a friend who knows the person. Sounds very early in the process at the moment, but obviously there is money in doing lessons/training... I said I'd go do the course.

Robbs said:
I hope to take in Rob Furlong's precision rifle training in the near future. I've taken some very good precision rifle courses in the US and it is nice to see more of these offered in Canada. The only issue I have is none of these course operators recognize any previous training you may have taken by other reputable instructors. Some don't even recognize any military marksmanship training a person may have. I have found that every course provider wants you to take their basic introduction course before letting you take more advanced training. I can understand they don't know who you are or your skills, but on the flip side, it may not be worth spending money to repeat the basics you may already have. Although rental gear is available, it is best to use your own gear to get the most of a course. I know people who had their own gear but opted for the instructors rental gear and regretted it after the fact.
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I agree with this.


I'll stop arguing the other side of this broken record. Stay at home thinking you need the best skills to win the competition before you come out. Till that happens, I guarantee the rest will be having fun shooting with like minded people.

Take the Rob Furlong course. I'm sure it's a good time.
 
Rgr

If you hear of any more info let us know, as I would like to get out with someone to correct any errors that I may have picked up and to add to my little knowledge in the field. :)
 
A general observation about shooting and shooting courses.

A self-taught golfer gets good at golfing poorly.

A self-taught skier gets good at skiing poorly.

A shooter needs some coaching, as soon as possible, so that subsequent shooting practice is practising the correct techniques.

The first thing to master are the fundamentals of shooting. The tricks of the various games can wait.
 
Perfect practice is the only thing that makes perfect shots. You can practice all you want but unless you are practicing the right way you will be ingraining incorrect things into your subconscious.
 
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