robinson arms XCR or H&K sly

andrew3081 said:
I never had 'screws' fall off.
What are these screws that fell off that make the rifle unusable?
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Grub screw for the selector switch, butt stock screw(s), and barrel retention bolt.
It was a usable rifle once everything was loctited.

I honestly don't know how they've even sold one xcr in the USA, where you can get a really nice ar for the same price with none of the restricted/non-restricted baloney. The difference in quality of the xcr compared to a noveske or lmt is huge. It's immediately apparent just picking the rifles up, more so when stripping them, and even more so when using them.
 
I have yet to have either of those issues or the cracked receiver and any of the other wives tales I have seen posted about someones buddy having.
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Bingo. Its always a fictitious "buddy".

The sl8's are high quality polygonal rifled barrels. The xcr barrels look to be hand made in Pakistan.
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The SL8's have a nice barrel. The XCR barrels are comparable to any AR-15 barrel. They certainly aren't "hand made in Pakistan", nor do they appear that way. Clearly the author of this is engaging in puffery to make their purchase look better and make them feel superior.

The sl8 is very solid feeling, the xcr has a bunch of slop between the upper and the lower. And the folding stock has some wiggle. Not good for accuracy.
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My XCR has ZERO slop between upper and lower, holds zero perfectly, and operates without issue. The rifle does not ship with a folding stock in Canada, so any slop is a result of a third party.

The xcr has a ridiculous barrel attachment system, that's where the rest of the accuracy goes.
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What you mean to say is that it has a quick change barrel system that allows for easy calibre conversion. I've never had any issues with accuracy, and mine shoots 1" groups at 100 yards.

I had several screws fall out of the xcr, rendering the rifle unusable until I could locate more hardware.
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Ah yes, the mythical loctite problem that hasn't existed for at least 5 years.
 
ntm said:
Grub screw for the selector switch, butt stock screw(s), and barrel retention bolt.
It was a usable rifle once everything was loctited.

I honestly don't know how they've even sold one xcr in the USA, where you can get a really nice ar for the same price with none of the restricted/non-restricted baloney. The difference in quality of the xcr compared to a noveske or lmt is huge. It's immediately apparent just picking the rifles up, more so when stripping them, and even more so when using them.
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Well i am not sure what you do with your rifle...but that seems like alot of abuse to the firearm.
And from what I can understand, most people have their barrel retention bolt come loose because it is not torque down enough.

And the fact that Americans are buying XCR because XCR is not as crappy as you make it sound.
 
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Paul Morrison said:
Bingo. Its always a fictitious "buddy".



The SL8's have a nice barrel. The XCR barrels are comparable to any AR-15 barrel. They certainly aren't "hand made in Pakistan", nor do they appear that way. Clearly the author of this is engaging in puffery to make their purchase look better and make them feel superior.



My XCR has ZERO slop between upper and lower, holds zero perfectly, and operates without issue. The rifle does not ship with a folding stock in Canada, so any slop is a result of a third party.



What you mean to say is that it has a quick change barrel system that allows for easy calibre conversion. I've never had any issues with accuracy, and mine shoots 1" groups at 100 yards.



Ah yes, the mythical loctite problem that hasn't existed for at least 5 years.
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My xcr barrel would have been comparable to a low grade ar barrel. Have you used a bore scope to look ? The chamber was particularly ugly on mine...

Most newer xcr's ship with a folding stock.

You are very lucky to have one without slop in the upper/lower, most have at least a bit.

No, I mean to say the barrel retention method is a bad joke. A screw tip pressing the barrel upwards into what is in effect a u channel is wrong on so many different levels I don't know where to start.
A proper method, like the lmt's, is to have the whole receiver wrap around the barrel and clamp solid. The forward pinch bolt interfaces with a slot in the barrel extension to provide a proper recoil lug.
This leaves no potential "wiggle" room for the barrel. Bare in mind that a barrel experiences intense high frequency vibrations when fired, and like a tuning fork, it'll squirm any which way it can.
Most xcr's will show light wear marks on the barrel extension to receiver contact points from this, proving that the barrel is moving around in the receiver. Some are worse than others depending on the tolerances of the reciever to barrel extension fit.
This is where most of the vertical stringing comes from.

The fasteners working loose has a lot to do with heat cycling. I was going from -30 to +20 in short spans of time, this may be a contributing factor. But there are just to many screws that are Loctite dependent for security.
 
Wow this still going. Man we get it you didn't like your xcr. But nothing you have said has happened to mine or about 10 other members who I shoot with very often. I keep hearing these mythical stories but no one has ever posted any proof of this. They just hear it from a past owner from 10 years ago and they keep telling the story like it happened yesterday.

As stated before both rifles are good and you decide what you like. But do NOT base your decision on this propaganda. It's not a $2500 rifle because its crap. And the whole accuracy thing. Again let that go. I'll shoot 1-1.5 MOA all day. What in gods name more do I need ??? It's a black rifle. I have precision bolt actions that do sub MOA on paper cause that is what they are built for. Blacks are not.
 
CPA said:
Wow this still going. Man we get it you didn't like your xcr. But nothing you have said has happened to mine or about 10 other members who I shoot with very often. I keep hearing these mythical stories but no one has ever posted any proof of this. They just hear it from a past owner from 10 years ago and they keep telling the story like it happened yesterday.
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someone having owned the rifle and had those things happen to them is not proof? where is your "proof" that you and about 10 other members have had no issue other than their say so coming from you a third party?

I had similar experiences with an XCR, I didn't own it so I must be disqualified from your "proofing" system too.
 
Brian46 said:
someone having owned the rifle and had those things happen to them is not proof? where is your "proof" that you and about 10 other members have had no issue other than their say so coming from you a third party?

I had similar experiences with an XCR, I didn't own it so I must be disqualified from your "proofing" system too.
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I am one out of those 10!
 
My XCR l is only about a month old but I do have 300 rounds through it. I have not had a problem ftf, fte or any other problem with it. It does not like the AE 55gr FMJ. Tried a few different types and it will pretty much do MOA with the 60 gr nosler custom match ammo.
 
I've got 500 rds +/- thru my XCR in 223, no ftf or any type of problem. shoot 1.5 with whitebox 55 grain Winchester. the norinco ammo is 4" or so. I think if I tried some other brands of ammo I would be able to find a MOA load.
 
Brian46 said:
federal premium SMK in 69 and 77 grain work good in a SL8, heavier bullet is always better it seems.
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From the posts I have read I think that both of there rifles are fine. I lean towards the SL8 though for the slight bit better accuracy reported. I appreciate the feedback.

If anyone has the time in the Edmonton area, I would love to try either rifle. At my expense I would buy match ammo and pay all range fees.

Moe
 
where is brian now? I hear people who say they have never had problems with THEIR rifle. But I have yet to hear anyone say they had a problem with THEIR rifle. Just lots of Brians... guy at the club said his friend told him that his neighbours cousin bought one and the screws were all falling off. Better go buy some loc tite... (insert redneck laugh)
 
I like them both but SL8 got me hands down.
My SL8 shoots flawlessly and give me the best accuracy out of all my semi rifle. Just can't beat it if you looking for pure accuracy out of the box.
Sorry, I am a HK fanboy.
 
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CPA said:
where is brian now? I hear people who say they have never had problems with THEIR rifle. But I have yet to hear anyone say they had a problem with THEIR rifle. Just lots of Brians... guy at the club said his friend told him that his neighbours cousin bought one and the screws were all falling off. Better go buy some loc tite... (insert redneck laugh)
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Right...
I did have problems with mine, as I previously detailed.
An xcr is a fine nonrestricted semiauto .223 for casual use. But as an item to trust absolutely, no.
 
ntm said:
Right...
I did have problems with mine, as I previously detailed.
An xcr is a fine nonrestricted semiauto .223 for casual use. But as an item to trust absolutely, no.
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LMAO is all I can say. Trust to do what? Take on the Russians? LOL like honestly man.
 
CPA said:
where is brian now? I hear people who say they have never had problems with THEIR rifle. But I have yet to hear anyone say they had a problem with THEIR rifle. Just lots of Brians... guy at the club said his friend told him that his neighbours cousin bought one and the screws were all falling off. Better go buy some loc tite... (insert redneck laugh)
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as I posted before in another thread, friend of mine new to the sport bought the xcr in question, I was there every time it was shot from the first round, I tried to work through the problems with my friend and a couple gunsmiths as they happened, finally gun was sold at a loss to CGN'er who knew it was having issues, He experienced the same problems and sold it again, after that I have no idea.

I am concidering trying one of the new versions since RA claims to have fixed all the issues now but the barrel retention method is still holding me back a little.
 
Brian46 said:
as I posted before in another thread, friend of mine new to the sport bought the xcr in question, I was there every time it was shot from the first round, I tried to work through the problems with my friend and a couple gunsmiths as they happened, finally gun was sold at a loss to CGN'er who knew it was having issues, He experienced the same problems and sold it again, after that I have no idea.

I am concidering trying one of the new versions since RA claims to have fixed all the issues now but the barrel retention method is still holding me back a little.
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What year/generation was that rifle out of curiosity? Must not have been very recent considering you are thinking about buying one?
 
SnoPac said:
What year/generation was that rifle out of curiosity? Must not have been very recent considering you are thinking about buying one?
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The new generation is coming out now IE Keymod.

There really are no other decent options in a 7.62x39 non restricted either.
 
Brian46 said:
There really are no other decent options in a 7.62x39 non restricted either.
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Why doesn't everyone mention 6.8 SPC? There's your reason for an XCR right there. Performance is awesome, you now have a viable black rifle hunting cartridge and mine shoots under an inch. Always has. Its taken 7 deer to this point. It's not as accurate as the HandK, I can accept that.... But it's far more useful.
 
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