Rooster33 gonna offer LW conversions? PIX

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48th Highlander Texas

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Well, I spent some time with Mr. Rooster33 at shot show. Fine gentleman. So fine we spoke of him offering Leitner-Wise gas piston conversions.

Here is a pic of the rooster along side a rather large ugly bastard.

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Super 6.8 (DMR) telescoping titanium Jet suppressor. Grenadier Precision Mid rail. Noveske 6.8 poly barrel.
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5.56 Grenadier M4 Commando LW 10.5" upper, noveske KX3 FH, DBTAL, Eotech. This gun went about 3K rounds non-stop on the shoot.

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308 ready to fire.

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308 urban piston driven sniper.

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ODA (operational detachment alpha) signature limited series rifle receiver close up.

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Signature series in its supplied sert case.

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We had initial talks with Mr. Rooster to come to VA to bone up on LW conversions so he can offer the advantages of piston driven AR's to Canadian shooters. Between us we figured this was the best and most economical way to do it.

BTW, that 308 gun shoots with the recoil of a .223 and is almost hollyweird quiet. Titanum Jet cans are the cats ass.

Heres to you Rooster.....I hope for all involved we can make this happen in short order and spread around the Leitner-Wise love. If I was not a Canuck, I don't know how much interest there would be in doing this, but I can't let the fellow countrymen go without.

Cheers Canadian Gun Nutz. Rooster, get in touch ASAP.
 
I saw the LW gas sysytem and it by far offers a better value for your money the amount of attention that is paid to the small details is impressive.I looked at the POF and Colt conversion system and it does not offer a retro fit kit like the LW and is only sold as a complete upper. I talked to Rooster33 after the desert field trip he was impressed with the system and I told him I would be his first Customer.
 
I'm still not sold on the piston upper vs direct inpingement,time will tell. All of the arguments I have seen for the piston systems offer only 1 point it is cleaner.Well when deployed on operations I clean my rifle everyday,and have yet to have a problem from the Canadian Arctic to the Persian Gulf and South West Asia,the C7 (or M16etc) has yet to let me down.
 
still details to be worked out.
I can tell you one thing, these rifles work. I put around 100 rounds through the one rifle, 5.56 and it worked flawlessly. shot it in semi and full auto ( you just have to love the desert). more importantly I watched others fire this rifle some that have shot AR's before and some that have not. it still came up a winner. there was 4 rifles on the line two in 5.56 and two in the 6.8, and at least 5000 rounds through the 5.56. it did not take long with the Bata mag. 100 rounds in one pull, that was impressive. people were smiling ear to ear.
more to follow. rooster out.

PS. the 7.62 with the can was nice too. only fired one mag through that one. no problems hitting steel plates at two hundred in a hurry.
 
Reaper said:
I'm still not sold on the piston upper vs direct inpingement,time will tell. All of the arguments I have seen for the piston systems offer only 1 point it is cleaner.Well when deployed on operations I clean my rifle everyday,and have yet to have a problem from the Canadian Arctic to the Persian Gulf and South West Asia,the C7 (or M16etc) has yet to let me down.
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Well I think you may be mistaken on the overall value of the system I believe that the impingement system on the M16 has issues that are becoming more apparent in actual combat environments of today of high intensity combat .This has been documented by the US Army with thier M4's and the request by the US SOCOM to procure newer weapons platforms that address the shortcoming of the current issued M4 HK's 416 HK's version of the M4 sports a heavier barrel but features a Gas/Piston .The FN Socom also has a gas/piston as well and the latest is that Colt is offering a Gas /Piston M16 upper as well .The benefits that the Gas system offer are cooler upper, lower receiver and bolt carrier temperatures .Heat causes many failures in Metals IE: fatigue ,extractors and bolt heads are susceptible to heat related failure.
 
48th, good to see you got back on CGN, Rooster told me you were having some problems.
I like the look of the whole gun in the nice case, can I have one of those? .223/556 is fine by me.
 
There has to be a reason why every AR manufacturer and sub-contractor is trying to make piston AR's. Might be related to the reason why no new firearm designs use direct inpringement. Pistons just make sense for assault rifles. Direct inpringement is fine for target/sniper rifles because it puts less stress and vibrations into the barrel assembly. But thats about where it ends. I have yet to hear anybody say direct impringement is better then piston overall.
 
Sigh,

Except for short barrel suppressed use there is no REAL (as opposed to imagined) advantages to the piston in the M4 system.

Yeah - cleaning - whippy fricking do, as Reaper pointed out you clean your weapons EVERY day on operations - all you have to do know is clean the piston as opposed to the bolt - you still have to clean the chamber and barrel

Keep in mind that a CERTAIN unit in USSOCOM pushed for the SCAR trials - and now they jumped off the bandwagon...
Yes CAG was having problems with the Mk18 ECQB M4A1's - but high round count in a 10.3 suppressed gun... Hence the Hk416 in a 10.5 piston setup

I've put more than 5k at a range sitting with a CF C7 and it still worked...



That said I plan on buying a LW conversion for a LMT 10.5" -- but in Fla with a CAN ;)
 
Every US military solicitation including scar asks for a short stroke piston. There is a reason.

These LW rifles are deployed with the 3rd, 5th and 7th SFG amoungst other fed agencies hence the ODA signature series. I spent the better part of the show (and the after show cerimonies) with one of the 5th ODA guys, and they hop and pop alot. They break contact with oodles of mag dumps and banana peel out of the situation. 12 guys living in a house by themselves in the middle of bandit country is alot different than a C7 doing duty with the Army in Afganistan. I am not questioning the value or honor of your duty, just to say that these guys find themselves in very weird situations.

We put 71500 rounds through one rifle only cleaning the bore, not the piston, not the bolt carrier group. We put 8K through the guns on the demo (2 5.56's and 2 6.8's). The operator should be the weak link in a weapons system and the gun should work whether or not he had opportunity to clean the piss out of it every day. Not a matter of lack of professionalism, but a matter of neccesity.

I don't want to argue about DI vs. short stroke piston much anymore. Most people have not had the opportunity to use both and therefore it is a theoretical exercise.

Nobody says anyone needs a short stroke piston. If you need one, you know it. If you simply want one you know it. Most civvie shooters do not need it, but alot of people shure as hell want one.

Also, the biggest gains from this piston technology are realized in short barreled weapons and carbines. We have found no need to pistonize 20" rifles as they do work fine.

Here are some pics of troops with the LW guns.

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These same troops watched the Al Queda video of their house being blown up by a fuel truck rigged with H.E. They did not live in a happy place. 10 guys lived on their own with their own indigenous cook, providing their own security, planning many missions on their own, doing snatch missions in hostile territory the only support being a UAV on many missions guiding them to their target. They gather their own intelligence and act on it.
 
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