I am looking at a Ross rifle which is in full military trim. It is marked on the receiver #DA428.....the bolt has this number as well. Everyhting functions correctly and the bore, while a bit dark , has good rifling. It has a bayonet with the same DA prefix but a different number. My questions concern the stock....while I can see all of the military marks and numbers it looks to have a light coat of varnish. I also see a portion of the stock which looks "scooped out" on the right side of the receiveradjacent to the receiver ring. Is the varnish normal and as well the sccoped out portion? Marks on the stock include a roundel with CEF and another mark and letter B ....I think! also M over 315 and 3622in another place. I read that "Tiriaq" is the resident expert.
Ross Rifle....
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Ross
Taken from Defending the Dominion, Canadian Military Rifles
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The Chilean Navy acquired an unknown number of Mk III Ross Rifles when they took delivery of their cruiser Almirante Latorre from the Royal Navy after the first war. This ship, ordered by Chile prior to the war, was taken over by the Royal Navy when launched on 27 November 1913 and commissioned as the HMS Canada in September 1915. At the war's end, it was handed over to Chile with all her armament including rifles.
.....Two hundred of the ship's rifles, all of which were inscribed with the letters DA and a bin number on the left side of the receiver and on the hilt of their accompanying bayonets were discovered in Chile in 1971 and imported to Canada by a prominent Montreal arms dealer (Century Arms)......
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I also have one marked DA 153 with matching bayo......
Check this site out.....
http://www.cybertap.com/brothers/ross/ross-hms.html
Taken from Defending the Dominion, Canadian Military Rifles
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The Chilean Navy acquired an unknown number of Mk III Ross Rifles when they took delivery of their cruiser Almirante Latorre from the Royal Navy after the first war. This ship, ordered by Chile prior to the war, was taken over by the Royal Navy when launched on 27 November 1913 and commissioned as the HMS Canada in September 1915. At the war's end, it was handed over to Chile with all her armament including rifles.
.....Two hundred of the ship's rifles, all of which were inscribed with the letters DA and a bin number on the left side of the receiver and on the hilt of their accompanying bayonets were discovered in Chile in 1971 and imported to Canada by a prominent Montreal arms dealer (Century Arms)......
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I also have one marked DA 153 with matching bayo......
Check this site out.....
http://www.cybertap.com/brothers/ross/ross-hms.html
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What are they asking for the rifle?
I saw one at a local gunshow this spring priced at $800. It had it's bayonet but I didn't notice a "scoop" in the stock.
FWIW: I can recall one of these rifles being up for sale 5 years ago for $395. with no takers.
Hindsight! :twisted:
I saw one at a local gunshow this spring priced at $800. It had it's bayonet but I didn't notice a "scoop" in the stock.
FWIW: I can recall one of these rifles being up for sale 5 years ago for $395. with no takers.
Hindsight! :twisted:
This is going to be a trade deal ...if done. I have been looking around and there aren't many for sale...those that are, are less than nice clean rifles. Cut downs run from $150.00 to $200.00 and full stocked pieces go for anywhere from $500.00 to 1,400.00 depending upon model...scarcity and condition.
DA 426, also ex-Chileno, ex-Latorre, is still around and shooting scary groups.
Look under the wrist of the stock for a battalion stamo: DA 426 is marked to "16 Batt. CEF", which was the Can. Scots. Be interesting to know if the Latorre rifles came from any particular Cdn formations, or if they were just loaded in fron a biiiiiig rack.
Latorre was in the Line at Jutland, as HMS Canada, so your rifle has really been there: biggest single sea battle of all time.
The DA-428 marking is Chilean; for Canadian service, Ross rifles were serialed on the right side of the butt, and, often, it is hard to make out what the number is. Full number should consist of a Mark stamp (which will be a "III"), a year of manufacture stamp, a (likely) two-letter serial code group and a serial which will be no more than 4 digits.
When International in Montreal sold these, back in '76-'77, they were asking $99.95 for the rifle only, $124.95 for rifle with bayonet and scabbard, matching serials. I only had the money for the rifle...... would sure like to own bayonet DA 426 today!
Do have fun!
Look under the wrist of the stock for a battalion stamo: DA 426 is marked to "16 Batt. CEF", which was the Can. Scots. Be interesting to know if the Latorre rifles came from any particular Cdn formations, or if they were just loaded in fron a biiiiiig rack.
Latorre was in the Line at Jutland, as HMS Canada, so your rifle has really been there: biggest single sea battle of all time.
The DA-428 marking is Chilean; for Canadian service, Ross rifles were serialed on the right side of the butt, and, often, it is hard to make out what the number is. Full number should consist of a Mark stamp (which will be a "III"), a year of manufacture stamp, a (likely) two-letter serial code group and a serial which will be no more than 4 digits.
When International in Montreal sold these, back in '76-'77, they were asking $99.95 for the rifle only, $124.95 for rifle with bayonet and scabbard, matching serials. I only had the money for the rifle...... would sure like to own bayonet DA 426 today!
Do have fun!
I do not know when the Rosses were transferred to the Royal Navy, to become ship's stores on HMS Canada. I have DA170. It is marked to two Cdn Bns, one 1st Division, and a second which did not arrive in France until Dec. 1915. The 2nd and 3rd Divisions exchanged their Rosses in the summer of 1916, after Jutland. Another Ross, DA33, is a very late one, assembled from parts in 1918, so it could not have been aboard Canada at Jutland. Perhaps some Rosses went to the Navy after they were withdrawn from 1st Division in the summer of 1915, while others were transferred later, when all Rosses were withdrawn from first line units. Rifles marked only to 1st Division Bns. could have been transferred to the Navy pre-Jutland. The RN mark is the M w/numerals on the top of the wrist behind the tang. The DA mark is Chilean, so it is post 1920, and does not tell anything about when the rifles went aboard ship. Perhaps additional rifles were added to ship's stores after the War, prior to the transfer of the ship back to Chile.
Great photos of a fine rifle. Serial number is 951LE, made 1916, Mk. III., of course. Will check and see if a more exact date can be tied to the serial. Note the forged nosecap, found on later production Mk. IIIs. Does it have an enlarged chamber, and improved, larger diameter, boltstop? I do not know the significance of the Z(N?) 718 on the wrist or 117 on the buttplate tang. I assume they are related to issue.
koldt said:Again, don't want to hijack, but any chanse of getting some info with this 1910 as to history, issue, etc.
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ALright,
Heres a snap of mine I had handy.
It has all the same marks on the butt as Koldts in the same places. In several spots on the metal it is stamped "not british make" meaning it was reissued to the 'Home Guard' in England during the WWII
Unfortunately some dough head lopped the wood off from the barrel band to the bayonet band. Anyone want to help out with a rebuild?
I need a chunk of wood that can be grafted to the excisting stock and a end cap/bayonet band...
Heres a snap of mine I had handy.
It has all the same marks on the butt as Koldts in the same places. In several spots on the metal it is stamped "not british make" meaning it was reissued to the 'Home Guard' in England during the WWII
Unfortunately some dough head lopped the wood off from the barrel band to the bayonet band. Anyone want to help out with a rebuild?
I need a chunk of wood that can be grafted to the excisting stock and a end cap/bayonet band...
tiriaq said:
As with a few of my collection, I haven't shot the M10. I shoot a lot of 38spl, so especially during the warmer months, I spend pretty well all range time putting wadcutters onto B27s.
I've had this Ross a few years and maybe one of these days I'll get around to putting some lead down range with it.
Oh ya, the bore is pristine.
How do I tell if it has the enlarged chamber :?: I tried the drill rounds and they functioned OK... :?
Just for clarity the number on top of the 1916 is 451 :lol:
