Ross Rifles Stocks and Bands

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I know this has been discussed before - but I am looking for some information.

1. Stocks - Other than Alberta gun Stocks - is there a good source for reproduction 1905 or Model 10 wood?

2. Bands (Middle & Front) - I have some 1905 and 1910 middle bands - they look the same to me. Are they the same? I only have a 1905 front band but again the Model 10 front bands look identical in pictures. Are they the same or different?

I am trying to finish off some project rifles - I should have taken a picture of one rifle - it was in really rough shape - but sadly the project is already started.

Thanks for the help.
 
By Alberta gun stocks, are you referring to the member here?

I could compare 1905 and 1910 middle bands and see how similar they are. But likely someone will answer the question before I could get to the shop and back.

The front bands/nosecaps are not the same. 1905 nosecaps can be had. 1910s are just about unobtanium.
 
Not anymore Tiriaq. Member at the Ross forum posted that the first 3D printed cap was done recently. Looks very nice, price is $130 US.

MkII and MkIII mid bands are very similar, but the MkIIs band is narrower.

I'm still doing the reproductions, I have a couple tougher ones I'm working at right now, once they are done I'm marching on with MkII and III orders again. Looks like I've found lots of time for making them in the next few months so I should make a big dent in getting caught up on orders again.
 
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Not anymore Tiriaq. Member at the Ross forum posted that the first 3D printed cap was done recently. Looks very nice, price is $130 US.

MkII and MkIII mid bands are very similar, but the MkIIs band is narrower.

I'm still doing the reproductions, I have a couple tougher ones I'm working at right now, once they are done I'm marching on with MkII and III orders again. Looks like I've found lots of time for making them in the next few months so I should make a big dent in getting caught up on orders again.
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Way to go FP !!!.
FYI, the parts I was looking at never went anywhere, the guy thought he had platinum and had them priced like it.
 
tiriaq - I don't know if the member and the business are one and the same. Alberta Gun Stocks is a business out of New Norway, AB.

flying pig - I see you are also out of AB, maybe send me a PM. I am at the Vergerville Gun Show in 2x weeks.

One thought was doing a run of about 100x metal bands. Problem is I need an original as a template.

In regards to the 1905 I am set - that is why I was wondering if I could use the 1905 front band for the 1910 - but it looks like I will need to find a 1910 front band.
 
I've taken an original late style forged MK III nosecap and created an auto CAD file that can be printed on a 3D printer. I've printed a few plastic ones which are handy to have especially when splicing in new fore ends. I've also had a metal one printed.






You can buy the metal one from this link;

http://shpws.me/LBZP

If you go to the Ross Rifle Forum and search me up (Greg) you'll find a whole thread that shows more pictures and tells the whole story.
The metal band is expensive (approx $125 U.S.) but the plastic one is cheap ($25 Can).

Sorry for heisting your thread agentcq,
Greg
 
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Greg - Thank you - at the link the prices for Metal bands are $174 and plastic $42-74

flying pig - I sent you a PM you may need to add me as a contact.
 
agentcq said:
Greg - Thank you - at the link the prices for Metal bands are $174 and plastic $42-74

flying pig - I sent you a PM you may need to add me as a contact.
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Yes they charge $174 for the metal one that they print (apparently the price does fluctuate, it came down $5 over the last week). They are the only shop in North America offering this service right now. As for plastic, I can set you up with a plastic one that I printed locally for $25 shipped.
 
As a side note, and in the spirit of the thread, I just finished what is likely the first new MkI* stock built in 110 years for a member here. Took almost six days, averaging 8hrs a day.
 
The MkI* stock is a lot of work. This one ate pretty well all of 50hrs. For comparison a MkIII set takes about 15hrs, a R-10 I did last week took about 10hrs. The handguards on this one took about a day. The whole stocks design works against duplication. It's like trying to copy spaghetti. Also the mag cut off and Harris lever add hours and hours of functionality troubleshooting and clearance nightmares. It was a real challenge.

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Last one was just because I love using the lathe for almost everything. Router bits actually work pretty good at 1,000rpm.
 
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Now that looks superb....Very nice indeed. Intricate work without a doubt. Makes you wonder how they went about (and the time taken) producing these in the early 1900's...
 
Most likely they got away with it by paying their staff almost nothing :d

In all seriousness though, beautiful work! Also thanks Greg for the lead on those printed metal nose caps. Price is pretty high, but hey, still half the price of the real ones!
 
There are photos of the Ross Rifle Company's factory in the early days. There is a reprint of an early machinist's magazine with a feature article.
Stocks were carved on a series of single purpose machines. Similarly, the metal working operations were all done with single machines with a specific purpose setup. I believe that the Ross factory was tooled up with new US made Pratt & Whitney machines. These rifles were factory made using machines and tooling that was state of the art at the time. There would have been minimal hand work. If you look at the inside of, say, a Mk. II** target rifle, you will see scraper marks and remains of the soot used by the stocker.
 
Would be awesome to have jigs for every function on these. I could not imagine the nightmare armourers would have had if they would have fielded anything earlier than the MkIII in a combat zone. The rear handguard on the 1* rifles is actually inletted for the rear sight, the handguard protects that dainty little sight. The front handguard has that tiny little lip that actually slides into the front of the fine adjustment ring on the rear sight. I would imagine it couldn't be much faster for an armourer to build one of these than it was for me to do it, and at ten hours to build the pair I'm sure those guys would have been in a hell of a pickle in short order had these gone off to war.

Thanks for the comments guys.
 
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