You are very much mistaken. Only someone completely unfamiliar with either could "argue" that.
Rossi M92 20 in Blued 44 Rem Mag
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You are very much mistaken. Only someone completely unfamiliar with either could "argue" that.
Saami spec on 44mag is what, 36k psi? That's a huge difference.
Yes, handloads can be hotter, but they aren't being advertised as capable of handling that kind of load, whereas a 454 needs to handle 454 factory pressures of 65k.
Well, .44 Mag overpressure loads are usually around the 45,000 psi range and off the shelf .454 Casull is no more than 55,000 psi...so, arguably similar. I realize 10,000 psi isn't the same, but the action of a gun will and if a diet of rounds at 55,000 psi is considered too much, how much damage and excessive wear and tear is a diet of 45,000 psi ammo?
{edit for context}...out of curiosity I looked up the psi range for .22LR saami is 24,000, but they are normally between 8000, 13,000 psi. The difference between hot .44 and off the shelf .454 Casull is practically the pressure of a .22LR.
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Well, .44 Mag overpressure loads are usually around the 45,000 psi range and off the shelf .454 Casull is no more than 55,000 psi...so, arguably similar. I realize 10,000 psi isn't the same, but the action of a gun will and if a diet of rounds at 55,000 psi is considered too much, how much damage and excessive wear and tear is a diet of 45,000 psi ammo?
{edit for context}...out of curiosity I looked up the psi range for .22LR saami is 24,000, but they are normally between 8000, 13,000 psi. The difference between hot .44 and off the shelf .454 Casull is practically the pressure of a .22LR.
What makes you think off the shelf 454 is no more than 55k psi?
Also who's saying the gun will take a steady diet of 44mag rounds that are 25% higher pressure than saami spec?
It's not what I think, it's not my opinion, it's what I've read...google is your friend.
Further, that is indeed my question or my hesitation. If it's been determined that .454 is too much for the action, how is the action going to stand up to .44 mag? I have my doubts.
Then don't buy one. Your concern is stupid and most of what you have said is nonsense regardless of whatever you type. Some watered down loads don't change the fact the cartridge can safely be and often is loaded right to 65,000 PSI. People can load .44 Magnum as dumb as they want it changes nothing about the ability of this rifle to safely run more full pressure .44 than you could ever likely put through it.
Amen brother. Sometimes a man just wants to look at a Rossi and get a boner. Ya know?
calgarycanada
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Another vote for 357
outlawbandit
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I been looking at this Rossi but also a Chiappa 1892 Trapper case harden with octagon barrel. Does anyone one have experienced both. Pros/cons
Both are good guns but in my experience the chiappa rifles have the edge in fit, finish and overall built quality. Also action is a bit smoother out of the box. The case hardening looks great on them but that’s more a matter of taste IMO.
The Chiappa rifles also don’t have that additional bolt mounted safety like the Rossi rifles do, so more true to the original design if that’s something that matters for you.
Can’t go wrong with either.
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In stock and selling quickly
https://store.prophetriver.com/ross...ne-mfg-923572093-stock-image/?showHidden=true
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We have sold five this morning in the hour or so since the last post. Only two remaining.
justsomeguy
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Lol; thank you!!
One remaining:
https://store.prophetriver.com/ross...ne-mfg-923572093-stock-image/?showHidden=true
Exactly. Saami spec for 454 is 65k psi. Therefore any gun made for 454 needs to be safe at those pressures, even if some factory ammo doesn't get there.
Meanwhile 44mag is only 36k psi, a HUGE difference compared to 65k psi. The fact that people can handload hotter than 36k psi means nothing unless the rifle is being sold as capable of handling 44mag +p+ loads.
He's asking if it can't take 55k psi then is it safe at 45k psi, when the real question aught to be is it can't take 65k psi is it safe at 36k psi...
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Fair. It's an old design and while I can appreciate that metallurgy has improved since 1894, it's still an old design. How do these rifles "wear in" compared to say a Winchester in 30-30? I'm not going to drop $2K on a carbine only to have a stretched out rattle trap after 2000 rounds.
All the ad hominem attacks aside, no one has actually answered the bloody question.
I bought one of these about 10 years ago on a whim....a thing of beauty to behold. As we were reboxing it at the dealer, the rear sight ( the fancy ladder elevator one) fell off onto the floor. The sight was pot metal junk so we threw it away and the dealer mounted a regular semi buckhorn on it.
At the range it would barely keep a group on a dinner plate sized target at 15 yards from the bench using either 38s or 357s, reloads or factory. I could not hit the swinging gas drum at 100 yards. (I could hit this offhand with my model 19 SW pistol 6/6) Awful thing. Sold it on with full disclosure. Maybe they've improved.
Correction, 6 sold
Great catch! You won’t regret… congratulations
