Rossi Puma .44 Mag

This thread is blowing my mind. Please don’t get them imported with longer butts! This firearm is not semi auto, and it is not being reduced to a length of less than 660mm OAL by means of “sawing, cutting or any other alteration” (since it would be factory produced at a length of less than 660mm...)

Thus, non restricted.

The only argument that the CFC can make is that the receiver of the ranch hand is a “purpose built pistol receiver” such as the case with the Rossi 12ga Backpacker.
(the rossi backpacker apparently used leftover recievers from the "rossi rocket pistol". These "pistols" were never exported to North America.. and I believe... never actually left the plant. But the CFC found a picture buried in a manual on the internet, so now its restricted.)

As long as the ranch hand has an identical receiver to its “conventional” longer OAL counterpart, (ie: a purpose built rifle receiver) it should be fine.


“prohibited firearm”
« arme à feu prohibée »

“prohibited firearm” means

(a) a handgun that

(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,

but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,

(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or

(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;


“restricted firearm”
« arme à feu à autorisation restreinte »
“restricted firearm” means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm that:

(i) is not a prohibited firearm,
(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner (NO),

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm;
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Agreed... I plan to lengthen the stock on mine anyways. I'd like to be able to aim it like a rifle. Either way (restricted or NR) I'll buy one. The cool factor is irresistable and if it's NR then it becomes practical too.
 
Also... The more I look online the more I see it being called a lever action pistol. Which doesn't lend well to NR class. Even if it's built on a rifle platform. Case in point: TC single shot Encore rifles come in pistol configuration and are restricted. It's the exact same gun but shortened using FACTORY parts and becomes restricted. The only way to keep it NR may be to make it longer than 26". The Gov't can't exactly be trusted to make the rational decision on gun classification.
 
Eric, what you say has the ring of truth. You are right. And the law is all right there in black and white. But you never know what you are going to get from our CFOs, the CACP, and the RCMP technical division. Everyone has an agenda these days.

Lets just cross our fingers that somebody out there is either on our side r just following the code. That gives us a 2/3 chance right?
 
Also... The more I look online the more I see it being called a lever action pistol.
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That's in the states because they have rules against 'short rifles', it's extra paper and costs. So they call it a 'pistol'.

If the cops are smart they'll let us 'win' one occasionally - if all they do is piss off EVERY gun owner there's gonna be a hell of a backlash one of these days.
 
You know - the mere fact that the RCMP pulls this kind of crap on us is pretty much proof in my mind that they don't really think lawful gun owners are ever going to shoot people. If they thought we might, they'd never mess us around like this :)
 
WanstallsOnline said:
I hope Eric911 is right but I do know the Chiappa prototype had to be sent back and the stock increased from 24" to 26" then re-submitted for approval? :confused:
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It's really a toss up. The RCMP and their techs can take all the time they want to come up with any obscure reason to validate additional restriction on a firearm they perceive scary because of a couple inches in oal ... Despite law written in black in white.

Hard to believe we pay these people to protect us.
 
RevolverRodger said:
Wouldn't it be cool if all RCMP classification dudes were CGN members and liked guns ?
I guess I'm dreaming...
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I'm sure most, if not all the firearms techs at the RCMP are gun enthusiasts of some form. Hard to believe it, but you gotta love what you do, right?

Some could very well be members here.... but the staff at the CFC probably consider all gunnuts subversives and non-conformists, and would want no part in it.

But if an RCMP firearms tech wants to chime in and set the record straight, I'm all ears.
 
???

WanstallsOnline said:
I can only confirm they were 24" in the States, have not found info on OAL on the Canadian model. I know the Chiappas had to be extended to meet the 26" requirement. I am not confident Taurus will do the same...
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So I bought a Chiappa Mare's leg from a CGN dealer, it was non restricted and looked like a ranchhand only case hardened.This gun unfortunately had to be sent back, it looked like every screw on it had been burred over and not good quality to boot, my rossi long guns are way nicer.
 
Since this isn't a semi auto, and it's manufactured originally at less than 26" OAL, the only way they can screw us over is if they classify it as a handgun.

"handgun"
"handgun" means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands;

I remember thats what happened to the old Pistol gripped DLASK 8.5" 870's
 
sushix2 said:
I remember thats what happened to the old Pistol gripped DLASK 8.5" 870's
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Kinda the same thing... you're right.... but a really short rifle stock is still a far cry from a PGO, in this case. We'll just have to see if they pull off any nasty tricks.

It IS still technically legal to use your PGO on your shorty shotgun, but it will take someone to go to court over it to prove it, as the RCMP feels it makes a restricted weapon, despite the fact that a PGO is not a "modified stock" (it has not been rendered under 26" OAL by sawing, cutting or any other alteration).... the ambuguity is really the words "any other alteration".

Since law enforcement will likely err on the more harsher interpretation of the law when it comes to sub-26" PGO's, I just go with the 26" OAL "rule" to save headaches. YMMV
 
Foxer said:
is there still no info on this? I would have thought the cops would have given a reply by now?
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I think they're kinda busy putting in he full auto mods so it can be classed as restricted. ;)

Once they weld the AR lower to 'er you can be sure they'll be quick to come out with the classification.
 
If you ever want to use the rifle for cowboy action then get the 20 inch. When I wanted to buy the 16 from Craig there was some doubt. So he was nice enough to check it out and sure enough... it only takes 9 1/2 rounds of .38Spl. So it's no good for cowboy work.
 
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