Rossi Puma 92 problem

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I was at a cowboy action match today and was having a problem with my 92.
It started to kick out a live round as well as the spent casing, sometimes all the way, sometimes just enough to not chamber. It doesn't happen all the time maybe once or twice each stage. Up until now it has never let me down.
Can anyone offer suggestions as to what is going on.
 
Yep, I have the same problem with my Puma, when using .38 special brass, especially when you lever quickly under match conditions. This is not just a Puma problem, I have the same thing occur when I lever quickly my 1902 manufactured Winchester M92 using .44 Special brass. Since during a match you are not going to slow down how fast that you lever your gun, my solution was to use only .357 & .44 mag brass for those specific rifles. It worked for me.
 
Garand said:
Yep, I have the same problem with my Puma, when using .38 special brass, especially when you lever quickly under match conditions. This is not just a Puma problem, I have the same thing occur when I lever quickly my 1902 manufactured Winchester M92 using .44 Special brass. Since during a match you are not going to slow down how fast that you lever your gun, my solution was to use only .357 & .44 mag brass for those specific rifles. It worked for me.
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same experience

before I got rid of it;)
 
If NOT Short Stroking, .........

.... Could it be the Plastic Magazine follower is binding a little, and not feeding properly ? ...... If so, there is a "after market" replacement available. .... David K
 
Not 100 % sure but i read of a cure for this on the web

??? in stalling a shim under side plate ??

a trial and error fix,
not a repair for some one not familiar with not taking a 92 action apart

if you put too big of a shim in it will not feed (same as if side screws work loose)

and it could be also be another problem ??
 
.. Interesting if nothing else ! I've got a Rossi 92 in 357 Magnum, (Rifle ) but I'm just using it for playing at the Range! Certainly not fast action or Competition, but regardless, I'm certainly interested in any improvements that may enhance reliability or prevent any issues developing ! ...... I despise that little "Safety", but there is a fix for that, just that I haven't got around to ordering it ! LOL ! ....... David K
 
Puma 92 problems. First, you should make sure all the screws you can see are tight. Second, these rifles need to be cleaned well after every match to keep reliable. What with the lead ammo and all the other goodies floating around, it is easy to gum them up. If you really want to stick with SASS cowboy shooting you should upgrade to a 1866 or 1873 rifle when you are able.
 
..So far, "Touch Wood", the only problems I've had, apart from the sights being less than ideal, have been when I've "Short Stroked" it, mixing 38 and 357 indiscriminately I might add. And when I've fed it, old, ( Antique ?) ammunition that has a healthy coating of Green on it ! It is getting smoother with use, that's for sure. .....'Have to check the screws, as I hadn't thought of that, with this Rifle. Just to be on the safe side ! Thanks for the tip/reminder ! .... David K
 
I have two Rossis. One in .357mag and the other .44mag and they both work flawlessly. I put a Skinner peep sight on both and what an improvement. For me the days of using notch and post sights on a rifle are over but with the peep sights the guns really do perform well. Check them out.

Take Care

Bob
 
"Canuck44" ... I've not come across the Skinner "Peep" Sights" but, the Internet is my Friend !..... Questions, did you change the Fore Sight ? If so, to what? And do your "Peep" sights, require Drilling and Tapping the Receiver ? ..... David K
 
Most Rossi 92's are OAL sensitive. You can use .38 spl if you ensure that the OAL exceeds 1.5" or greater. Try it, it will work but, you have to remember that with a Rossi 92 you have to lever it with authority. If you lever it in a candy a$$ way, it will probable stove pipe or just jam.
 
David K said:
"Canuck44" ... I've not come across the Skinner "Peep" Sights" but, the Internet is my Friend !..... Questions, did you change the Fore Sight ? If so, to what? And do your "Peep" sights, require Drilling and Tapping the Receiver ? ..... David K
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The Skinner sight fits in the rear sight dovetail. Easy to install and in my view a step up from the stock rear sight. I haven't touched the front sights on either gun yet. I may go to a FO front on the .357mag in the future as I have a friend in the US who really likes his Puma with one installed.

http://skinnersights.com

Take Care

Bob
 
Cowboy Shootist said:
Most Rossi 92's are OAL sensitive. You can use .38 spl if you ensure that the OAL exceeds 1.5" or greater. Try it, it will work but, you have to remember that with a Rossi 92 you have to lever it with authority. If you lever it in a candy a$$ way, it will probable stove pipe or just jam.
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I've found out that "levering with authority" caused the problem when I was using the shorter (O.A.L.) .38 Special cartridge but it was eliminated with .357 rds.
 
I have a PUMA 92 as well in 38/357.

What Cowboy Shootist said- overall length is critical. I found every round I jacked out was short.

Also, use RNFP, don't use semi wad cutters if you are using 38 instead of 357.

Also, make sure you don't short stroke it, and clean out the rifle after every match.

Mine has been fine, no problems since I switched to RNFP's and loaded slightly long. I now check every round for OAL with a digital vernier.

Niagara Glen
 
OAL is crucial on the Puma.

When cycling the lever the most important part is the end of the levering. If done too weak and fast it will do what your rifle is doing.

Rusty Woods trading company makes a blank to fill in your bolt safety. You can use a pick and some alcohol/methanol to remove the F and S. Remove the solution after the paint has moved or you will hurt your blueing.

Rusty also sells a spring pack for the 92. The extractor spring is very difficult to change out but s the one that does the most change. The interweb suggest using a spent casing to line up the parts and assemble. That won't work. Took me 4 hours the first time and 2 minutes the last time. Good Luck! I have also reduced the power of the detent spring on the feed ramp and polished the feed ramp (tumble it in your brass cleaner).

Do that and file down your rear site and add a larger bead and you're done. Or just buy mine hahaha.
 
Canuck44 said:
When was the .44mag cartridge developed 1955? Are you sure your Winchester is a vintage 1902 rifle in .44mag?

Take Care

Bob
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Its sure is!!! During the Cowboy TV craze in the late '50's/ early '60's when in a 7 day period there were at one point 157 cowboy shows on TV, it was a common thing for gunsmiths to convert Winchester M92's in .38-40 to .357 and .44-40's to .44 Magnum. Nothing like giving an old rifle a new life. My 1902 Winchester is the 3rd from the top

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Garand said:
Its sure is!!! During the Cowboy TV craze in the late '50's/ early '60's when in a 7 day period there were at one point 157 cowboy shows on TV, it was a common thing for gunsmiths to convert Winchester M92's in .38-40 to .357 and .44-40's to .44 Magnum. Nothing like giving an old rifle a new life. My 1902 Winchester is the 3rd from the top

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By lawrence9 at 2011-02-10
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I like the second from bottom....I like when it shows, they've been used! (character)
 
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