Rude Landowners

Its sad to suggest this but it could be time for trail cams hidden in bird houses around your cottage or video surveillence.
Trail am photos have worked for others catching people stealing gas ect.
A couple weeks ago a guy came to the door and asked if i wanted to recycle any car batteries. I said no. He asked me what i was doing with them ?i said with what ? He says all the batteries beside the garage and around the back.
I said how the f!?k do you know how many i have .he said "i saw them when i pulled in your driveway the other day nobody was here.
I said well that may explain seeing some by the garage but not around the back.
I asked him if he had fun casing my house ? He said he wasnt or being s snoopy !
I pulled out my cell phone and snapped a pic of licence plate. He said " what you going to do with that run to the cops "? No just keep it till some of my stuff goes missing then ill be over to see you personally.
Things got loud then. He left.
I rather enjoyed the exchange.
The nerve or stupidity of this ass wipe to tell me my inventory of stuff he saw when I was not home.
We live in the country. If he comes back I hope he smiles in the hidden cam behind the stack of batteries I set out.


QUOTE=rynoon;7421306]Same situation for me, except instead of shooting the no trespassing sign they just steal them. It's ridiculous. Five years ago the path down to the cottage (which sits completely on private property) was unusable by dirt bikers, ATV'ers, cars, etc. Spent a ton of money cleaning it up and grading it, maintain it every year and people just rip down it and tear it up.

They also like to drive down to the dam which is on the other side of the property. The only people who have any business at that damn is the MNR and they have an easement. Nobody else does, but kids have decided that the dam is an excellent place to go down and smoke weed.They've also decided that when nobody is at the cottage that they have no issue with smashing the windows, kicking the doors in and robbing the place blind.

We've now taken to telling people to just piss off when we see them on the property. Didn't used to, but it's just ridiculous now. If we tell somebody to leave and they keep driving down to the dam we take the SUV, park it on the single lane access way and tell them to call a tow truck if they want their car out. I hate these idiots.[/QUOTE]
 
roccoskeet said:
Its sad to suggest this but it could be time for trail cams hidden in bird houses around your cottage or video surveillence.
Trail am photos have worked for others catching people stealing gas ect.
A couple weeks ago a guy came to the door and asked if i wanted to recycle any car batteries. I said no. He asked me what i was doing with them ?i said with what ? He says all the batteries beside the garage and around the back.
I said how the f!?k do you know how many i have .he said "i saw them when i pulled in your driveway the other day nobody was here.
I said well that may explain seeing some by the garage but not around the back.
I asked him if he had fun casing my house ? He said he wasnt or being s snoopy !
I pulled out my cell phone and snapped a pic of licence plate. He said " what you going to do with that run to the cops "? No just keep it till some of my stuff goes missing then ill be over to see you personally.
Things got loud then. He left.
I rather enjoyed the exchange.
The nerve or stupidity of this ass wipe to tell me my inventory of stuff he saw when I was not home.
We live in the country. If he comes back I hope he smiles in the hidden cam behind the stack of batteries I set out.
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hidden Cams / video surveillence is Always your Best bet when you Got lots of land that you need to Watch.

We Sell DIY LOng Range surveillence , proximity alarm Systems At my work. And 95% OF the Customers we have Are Buying them for there cabin/ Land. & there Storys Are ####en Crazy of what they lost! And What they did After they got the video of the guys doing it. !
 
starpuss said:
Well We Ride On Crown/open land 95% of the time. or ATV parks And if we are not on Crown/open land we are on Land that quad Trails go Across. Witch Is Not posted And are on the Town ATV map's. OR Land that we Permission to be on. Like that old Abandoned Farmhouse video i have up We Talked to the owner of the land and he is Fine with us Crossing the land. But Of Corse would not be happy if we where burning or braking s**t. & Crown land is Right at the back of his land. But This is NOT the point of this Post. i am NOT Hunting on that LAnd.

if you Got banned on Kijiji then you should of Looked over your post b4 it was posted. But maybe there more Picky on the ontario kijiji.

i had an ad up for 3 months , got 2-3 ppl that was ok with it. But Black power or bow only. And maybe 20 spam emails.
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yeah my ad was for bow only(only thing you can hunt deer with in zone 94 when your by your self and not party hunting) i guess some anti hunter or animal rights activist did not like the idea but not all was lost i did get one guy who said he would let me hunt that year
 
joe-nwt said:
Not that I agree with it but I believe you can be charged for setting a booby trap.
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To charge someone criminally, they need to prove intent or gross negligence. Who says a construction project in progress (foundations for a new gate maybe?) on a private property is a bobby trap?
 
Over the years I have acquired a vast amount of private property to hunt and one thing I have always found is introduce yourself in person. Don't dress like a slob and clean yourself up. Nothing gets a no faster than someone who appears unkempt. No doesn't always mean forever either, I have acquired two properties in the past few seasons that year after year I got a no. I went back each year regardless. One year the woman at the door said if I let you on to hunt would you be able to rid my barn of all the pigeons? I said absolutely, she must have had 200 of them there. We hunted the next morning, then set about killing pigeons and went back each week until there wasn't a pigeon around. We have hunted there each year since and have a great waterfowling spot and a good relationship with the owner now as well. A christamas card each year at season's end delivered in person with gift of some sort as a thank you goes a long way as well. We hand out shares of our game, beer, alcohol and for those who don't drink containers of pure maple syrup. I have not heard a no from any of those owner's since and some have even started joining in on our hunts. Cultivating friendships is what it is all about and sharing in the wealth and hunt is a good good feeling.

I feel sorry for the hunters that own property whose attitude is it is "my deer, my land, piss off".

You may be missing out on making a great friendship and hunting partner. Friend of mine has 275 acres he manages exclusively for whitetail. He has more fun with that place through the entire season from beginning to end from all the folks he has let hunt there. Friendships have developed from it that are just amazing. He must have 50+ friends he lets hunt there and hunt with him including all his daughter's families and their kids. The local retriever club uses the place for training, camping when they have a trial etc. He has gathered friends from all over North America, you would not believe the comraderie and benefits he has received from being a true sportsman.He is regularily invited to some of the best hunting and fishing spots around through those friendships that came by way of saying yes to someone who asked to hunt his land.

And one more note just to vent and set the record straight..........wildlife, all wildlife is not "yours"! It belongs to all of us, not just one of us! So to say "my deer" about the deer that live or pass through your property, you are sadly mistaken and obviously you have greed issues. I feel sorry for you................
 
the spank said:
I feel sorry for the hunters that own property whose attitude is it is "my deer, my land, piss off"

And one more note just to vent and set the record straight..........wildlife, all wildlife is not "yours"! It belongs to all of us, not just one of us! So to say "my deer" about the deer that live or pass through your property, you are sadly mistaken and obviously you have greed issues. I feel sorry for you................
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Not sure that was implied by any land owner in this thread ......
It's a given ........ wildlife is 'owned' by the crown ...... period.

The Mule deer and Whitetailed deer that live on my property aren't mine. They are owned by the crown until they are legally tagged ....

Legally tagged is not on someones posted property without permission .....

This so-called issue is relatively straight forward and uncomplicated in any court of law ...

The original post was about supposed rudeness/bad manners by a land owner who wanted his privacy, and stated his intent on his land boundry.

Who would of thought that a simple issue of posted property would carry-on like this thread has ..... happy trails.
 
mgcolley said:
Little story,

I was out searching for land to hunt, and I found a few properties that I saw deer on, one property had a very long driveway and a private property sign, so instead of driving up to the door I left them a letter in their mailbox by the road. This was a very nice letter, not to brag, simply explaining what I was looking for and how I did not approach their door as to not breach their privacy etc. I got an email response stating, "Take your interests elsewhere and if I ever see you on my property I am calling the police".

I am getting so sick of rude landowners, I am sure they get sick of people asking or some have had bad experiences, but I never touched their property and I left a harmless letter, seemed a little harsh.

Oh well, guess these are the things we have to put up with, wish people were more accepting of hunting
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The problem some land owners have is being sued by a tresspasser that got hurt on their property. How would you feel if some arse-hole on a atv was tresspassing on your land without permission , wiped out, got hurt and wanted you to pay for damages. Yes it happens, and if it were you, I'm sure you'd not be to open to allowing others on your land as you can be held liable.
 
Home3 said:
To charge someone criminally, they need to prove intent or gross negligence. Who says a construction project in progress (foundations for a new gate maybe?) on a private property is a bobby trap?
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Hey I didn't make the rules. You want to take your chances with this, fill your boots.
 
the spank said:
And one more note just to vent and set the record straight..........wildlife, all wildlife is not "yours"! It belongs to all of us, not just one of us! So to say "my deer" about the deer that live or pass through your property, you are sadly mistaken and obviously you have greed issues. I feel sorry for you................
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Your part of the wildlife you love is eating my crop. Where do I send the bill? Or do you just want me to feed them for you?
 
pikesroad said:
Your part of the wildlife you love is eating my crop. Where do I send the bill? Or do you just want me to feed them for you?
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I was referring to the person/s who said they would not allow someone to hunt their property because it is their deer. I hunt many farmer's properties, 10's of thousands of acres worth in fact and many of my family members have farms so I understand fully the problems with animals destroying and eating crops. Maybe if you let a few good people in to hunt your problem may be reduced significantly? The landowner's properties I hunt seem to be pretty happy with the results of the job myself and my friends do to keep the wildlife in check. As for sending me the bill? I am quite sure the subsidies you receive for crop failure or damage are coming from my taxes anyways..................
 
starpuss said:
I WOULD Tell you to piss off also!

My Land , My Deer !

And i Think It was Be Nutz to Let someone you Dont know shoot On your Land!
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starpuss said:
i had an ad up for 3 months , got 2-3 ppl that was ok with it. But Black power or bow only. And maybe 20 spam emails.
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So, it's ok for YOU to hunt on strangers land. But not ok for strangers to hunt on your land???? Hypocrite comes to mind.
 
the spank said:
As for sending me the bill? I am quite sure the subsidies you receive for crop failure or damage are coming from my taxes anyways..................
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Its called insurance for crop failure and you have to pay into it to recieve it. As for damage ask the farmers you hunt for how much they get. I can tell you, zero. The crown should pay all farmers for the damage her animals do to crops on private property or let me protect my crop. They should take the crop damage across the province, divide it buy the number of deer tags and that is the cost of the tag eg. 10 million in damage / 100000 tags = 100 a tag to go to a fund the damage done by the queens or your animals.

If you had a cow and it got into my corn crop and damaged it, I would be entitled to compensation from you. How is the queens or all of your( as you put it) animals different? She owns them, controls them, controls who hunts them, they are her property, so why is she not responsible for the damage caused by them?

I can see how some would think they are theirs. If they feed them and water them, let them use your bush for shelter, they are more of an owner then the queen or the guy that shows up with the queens tag to harvest them. I know everyone wants something for free but don't you think its time to pay the true cost of the sport you enjoy? If you want to hunt the queens land so be it, it is hers to do as with as she pleases.
 
pikesroad said:
The crown should pay all farmers for the damage her animals do to crops on private property or let me protect my crop. They should take the crop damage across the province, divide it buy the number of deer tags and that is the cost of the tag eg. 10 million in damage / 100000 tags = 100 a tag to go to a fund the damage done by the queens or your animals.



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LOL!!!!
Maybe you should take a step back and be happy the crown allows you to own the top 6" of your property. Or, build a fence big enough to protect your crop from all those mean animals.
 
I dont see what is so funny.

Wildlife damage to agricultural crops is estimated by the Ontario Soil & Crop Improvement Association (OSCIA) to cost farmers approximately $41 million in crop and livestock losses annually.White-tailed deer and geese caused 40-50% of the damage to forages and wheat, and deer caused 45% of soybean damage attributed to wildlife.
Similarly, an intensive survey of species use and crop depredation by Purdue University found that raccoons and white-tailed deer caused 95% of damage in surveyed crop fields

As for me begin happy that the governments lets me own the property I have paid for, well, only a liberal or dipper would think that way. Maybe you could send them a thank card at christmas for them allowing you to own your house.

Or, build a fence big enough fence to protect your crop from all those mean animals.
You have no idea, do you.
 
People are (or used to be) pleasant when only one or two guys a year ask.

When 100's of people ask or trespass or destroy stuff people get pissed off.

I never hunt private land unless I am long time friends with the land owner and am INVITED to hunt.

Normally now days if you are not invited you are not wanted so take a hike.
 
mgcolley said:
Little story,

I was out searching for land to hunt, and I found a few properties that I saw deer on, one property had a very long driveway and a private property sign, so instead of driving up to the door I left them a letter in their mailbox by the road. This was a very nice letter, not to brag, simply explaining what I was looking for and how I did not approach their door as to not breach their privacy etc. I got an email response stating, "Take your interests elsewhere and if I ever see you on my property I am calling the police".

I am getting so sick of rude landowners, I am sure they get sick of people asking or some have had bad experiences, but I never touched their property and I left a harmless letter, seemed a little harsh.

Oh well, guess these are the things we have to put up with, wish people were more accepting of hunting
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send a email back , and be polite. thank you for your response, but the threat of calling the police on my is not needed for i was only asking permission. a simple no would have been enough. thank you and have a nice day.
 
pikesroad said:
Its called insurance for crop failure and you have to pay into it to recieve it. As for damage ask the farmers you hunt for how much they get. I can tell you, zero. The crown should pay all farmers for the damage her animals do to crops on private property or let me protect my crop. They should take the crop damage across the province, divide it buy the number of deer tags and that is the cost of the tag eg. 10 million in damage / 100000 tags = 100 a tag to go to a fund the damage done by the queens or your animals.

If you had a cow and it got into my corn crop and damaged it, I would be entitled to compensation from you. How is the queens or all of your( as you put it) animals different? She owns them, controls them, controls who hunts them, they are her property, so why is she not responsible for the damage caused by them?

I can see how some would think they are theirs. If they feed them and water them, let them use your bush for shelter, they are more of an owner then the queen or the guy that shows up with the queens tag to harvest them. I know everyone wants something for free but don't you think its time to pay the true cost of the sport you enjoy? If you want to hunt the queens land so be it, it is hers to do as with as she pleases.
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Not to get into a peeing match, I can and do sympathize with the farmers whose crops get eaten and or damaged. I have seen first hand entire crops lost to wildlife and can only imagine the frustration. I also realize that the wildlife was here prior to agriculture and is doing only as it knows, reproducing and surviving. The expansion of agricultural areas has meant reduced acres of natural habitat and food sources, therefore animals have learned to adapt and eat what is available. It is a balancing act, the needs of man vs the needs of wildlife.

The other thing I will answer to is why should farmers be paid for crop failure in the manner you state? Like anyone else you are a business man and you are in a business of your choosing, nobody forced you to farm. The gov't didnt come to my rescue when my store got flooded back in the 80's and I lost $50,000 in inventory, in fact it was not an option that ever crossed my mind. My insurance coverage saved my bacon because I purchased it in case. That is called the cost of doing business.

Unfortunately I cannot answer questions for the queen, you will have to ask her yourself.
 
the spank said:
Not to get into a peeing match, I can and do sympathize with the farmers whose crops get eaten and or damaged. I have seen first hand entire crops lost to wildlife and can only imagine the frustration. I also realize that the wildlife was here prior to agriculture and is doing only as it knows, reproducing and surviving. The expansion of agricultural areas has meant reduced acres of natural habitat and food sources, therefore animals have learned to adapt and eat what is available. It is a balancing act, the needs of man vs the needs of wildlife.

The other thing I will answer to is why should farmers be paid for crop failure in the manner you state? Like anyone else you are a business man and you are in a business of your choosing, nobody forced you to farm. The gov't didnt come to my rescue when my store got flooded back in the 80's and I lost $50,000 in inventory, in fact it was not an option that ever crossed my mind. My insurance coverage saved my bacon because I purchased it in case. That is called the cost of doing business.

Unfortunately I cannot answer questions for the queen, you will have to ask her yourself.
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there is a farmer where i work he even stated that if we have enough rain where farmers cant get out and plant, they will air drop seeds just to get that gov money, as long as it is plant they are covered even if it all rots due to water
 
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