Ruger #1, .303 British.

Canuck Bob said:
Nice rifle indeed Cat. Love the style and wood.

The 303 Brit is a cartridge that defined the battle experiences of two generations of men in my family. It is intersting noone has ever questioned the ownership of a 7X57 Mauser or a 30-06 in a Ruger No 1 on any forum I've attended. Yet Canadians scoff at other Canadians for choosing the 303 over any other caliber. So typically Canadian. If it isn't in an American gun magazine or dare I say ad dressed up like an article it doesn't measure up. How sad that a generation of Canadian men would even question ownership of cartridge so central to our firearm history.

Enjoy your new Yankee cartridges until they are discontinued in favor of the next generation of Super Duper Smith&Remington Hornady Whiz Bang Magnum that will last about 10 years.
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I use super duper whizz bang American developed cartridges, but I don't really care where a cartridge comes form. I am more interested in what interests me!:p

People question the .303 because it is indeed an antiquated cartridge, and it would be far more pragmatic to use a .308...I have to agree with that line of thought, since it's true.

Frankly, there are more practical reasons AGAINST owning a #1 in .303 than there is FOR owning one, and I respect those reasons...I listed why I want to own one previously, and while it is not practical-it's still perfect- for me and the others that want one.:dancingbanana:
 
Actually it would be more pragmatic to own a 30-06.

Better selection of factory ammo and fine used and new rifles to choose from.

A better balanced cartridge to bullet weight and case capacity.

A longer and more acceptable neck length for reloading rather than the short cartridges that suffer from too short necks and major case restriction when loaded with heavy bullets and short OAL of the short actions built for them.

Of course it is antiquated, its over 100 years old!

It is also important to note the rimless cartridge was invented not as an advancement of cartridges but rather as an expediant for use in automatic weapons. They do not offer any advantage to a sporting rifle and any talk of feeding problems in a magazine rifle were put to bed by the Lee Enfield 120 years ago.

I read the articles from the African professional hunters who seem to know something about hunting. Many prefer the 375 H&H Magnum loaded for double rifles with long heavy bullets loaded with thier bullet bases flush with the case neck. This results in a bullet of extreme length in an antiquated rifle system that couldn't register 1 moa and is never scoped. However you can almost throw the slender tapered case at an open chamber and it will chamber and the same case spits out like a dream when ejected. Lets talk weapons not press releases.
 
Canuck Bob said:
Actually it would be more pragmatic to own a 30-06.

Better selection of factory ammo and fine used and new rifles to choose from.

A better balanced cartridge to bullet weight and case capacity.

A longer and more acceptable neck length for reloading rather than the short cartridges that suffer from too short necks and major case restriction when loaded with heavy bullets and short OAL of the short actions built for them.

Of course it is antiquated, its over 100 years old!



It is also important to note the rimless cartridge was invented not as an advancement of cartridges but rather as an expediant for use in automatic weapons. They do not offer any advantage to a sporting rifle and any talk of feeding problems in a magazine rifle were put to bed by the Lee Enfield 120 years ago.
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SUre, 30-06, 308 whatever..Same idea applies..

I read the articles from the African professional hunters who seem to know something about hunting. Many prefer the 375 H&H Magnum loaded for double rifles with long heavy bullets loaded with thier bullet bases flush with the case neck. This results in a bullet of extreme length in an antiquated rifle system that couldn't register 1 moa and is never scoped. However you can almost throw the slender tapered case at an open chamber and it will chamber and the same case spits out like a dream when ejected. Lets talk weapons not press releases
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Well, they figured out how to make non tapered cases work a long time ago, but whatever floats your boat;)
 
Gatehouse,

I'm a new member and couldn't help getting on my soap box. I apologize for being so preachy, my intent was fun but my tone was snotty.

I ordered one of the 303 No 1's day one. Can't wait to get it!

I'm fond of the 308 and have shot the nato version a few thousand times in an FNC1 and FNC3. If the ###holes in Ottawa would allow it it would be my go to gun. I swore to fight to the death carrying an FN now they would make me a criminal for carrying one after a moose. Some thanks, eh!

My current hunting rifle is a 444 Marlin and has been for decades. I've noticed from your other threads you understand the effectiveness of heavy slower bullets as well as strong mid weight speedsters. Different horses for different courses.

I'm sorry to say though, the 375 H&H is King, its a bloodline thing. Lets make the 375 Ruger the President, its the Colony's way. I must admit I am drooling over one bolt rifle. I'm a lefty and the 375 Ruger in a lefty Ruger African will be the mate to the 303 No 1 when I'm rich and infamous.
 
The neat thing about a 303 is that it pushes conventional bullets at speeds at which they work their best. The fact that there are few bullet choices is meaningless. You only need one if it works and the 303 bullets work just fine.
In a single shot rifle, the rimmed cartridge is beneficial rather than being a problem as it can be in a magazine rifle. I think the 303 and it's American counterpart, the 30/40 Krag, are the perfect cartridges for this type of rifle. If I was to build one for myself, I would have a tough time choosing which to use. I would, however, have no trouble choosing either over a WSM! Regards, Bill.
 
Canuck Bob said:
Gatehouse,

I'm a new member and couldn't help getting on my soap box. I apologize for being so preachy, my intent was fun but my tone was snotty.

I ordered one of the 303 No 1's day one. Can't wait to get it!

I'm fond of the 308 and have shot the nato version a few thousand times in an FNC1 and FNC3. If the ###holes in Ottawa would allow it it would be my go to gun. I swore to fight to the death carrying an FN now they would make me a criminal for carrying one after a moose. Some thanks, eh!

My current hunting rifle is a 444 Marlin and has been for decades. I've noticed from your other threads you understand the effectiveness of heavy slower bullets as well as strong mid weight speedsters. Different horses for different courses.

I'm sorry to say though, the 375 H&H is King, its a bloodline thing. Lets make the 375 Ruger the President, its the Colony's way. I must admit I am drooling over one bolt rifle. I'm a lefty and the 375 Ruger in a lefty Ruger African will be the mate to the 303 No 1 when I'm rich and infamous.
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Hey, it's all in fun. I'ts the intraweb:dancingbanana:

Anything on the intraweb shoudl be tempered with this thought- You can do ANYTHING in the hunting fields with a .223/30-06/.375 or some similar combination. We can argue all we want, but that is the fact...

I can kill blacktails and grizzlies with my .303...

But the .375 Ruger is the NEW KING. It was stated here on the intraweb years ago...:p
 
Leeper said:
The neat thing about a 303 is that it pushes conventional bullets at speeds at which they work their best.
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We have a BINGO! Not that this will keep me from playing with unconventional bullets..;)

The fact that there are few bullet choices is meaningless. You only need one if it works and the 303 bullets work just fine.
In a single shot rifle, the rimmed cartridge is beneficial rather than being a problem as it can be in a magazine rifle. I think the 303 and it's American counterpart, the 30/40 Krag, are the perfect cartridges for this type of rifle. If I was to build one for myself, I would have a tough time choosing which to use. I would, however, have no trouble choosing either over a WSM! Regards, Bill.
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Prediction- Bill will build himself a WSM of some sort in the next year.:p
 
Bill,

Are you the smith building Cats 303? It seems you and Cat started something that is spreading around the world literally. I often chat with Aussies, Kiwis, Afrikaners and Tommy's about the rifle, a global rifle range!

After seeing Cat's wonderful pictures I know I will follow suit and imitate that build. I'm planning a M8 2.5X Leupold Compact (I already own it off my 444) with QR rings for a scope and an express sight from NECG. I'm thinking thier big front bead and a single leaf express filed once I work up a load, 50 yards on the standing blade (POI at center of bead) and 100 or 150 yards on the leaf (POI at top of bead). Would this match the traditional way these stalking rifles are sighted?

I know nothing about Ruger rings. Would you please recommend a QR system for the standard Ruger Quarter Rib? I'm worried my little scope might not fit without extended rings. My preferred scope would be the VX3 1.5-5X20 but that is about as likely as a Swarovski.
 
Canuck Bob said:
I'm planning a M8 2.5X Leupold Compact (I already own it off my 444) with QR rings for a scope....I'm worried my little scope might not fit without extended rings.
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I have a Leupold 2.5 on the way, should be here next week.
I'll be mounting it on my 1-A with the Warne QR rings that came with my "Boddington" 1-S.
I'll let you know how it works out.
 
catnthehatt said:
I got some pics today of my "almost finished " Stalking rifle in 303 Brit!:D:dancingbanana:
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You need to start a thread featuring this rifle. :dancingbanana:


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Canuck Bob said:
I'm planning a M8 2.5X Leupold Compact (I already own it off my 444) with QR rings for a scope...

I know nothing about Ruger rings. Would you please recommend a QR system for the standard Ruger Quarter Rib? I'm worried my little scope might not fit without extended rings.
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Moose Masher said:
I have a Leupold 2.5 on the way, should be here next week.
I'll be mounting it on my 1-A with the Warne QR rings that came with my "Boddington" 1-S.
I'll let you know how it works out.
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The 2.5x20 is just a little too short in the tube length for me to get proper eye relief with the standard Ruger or Warne QR rings.
It's do-able but I have to crawl up on it a bit.

I have a Vx-II 2-7x33 that fits better. Eye relief is good up to about 4x.

The Warne rings seem well built, if a little bulky.

As has been pointed out in the past, the standard Ruger rings are quick detach if you have a coin in your pocket.
 
King of the 303's? If I show up with an Enfield I'd get laughed out of hunting camp. Martini? We're talking something we can actually shoot. When I take my '95 Winchester .303 out of the case the peasants show proper respect.
 
Well guys, we've just taken a step closer. Just got word out of Lipseys that Ruger just sent them a SKU#. This means things are getting close and with a large order, he figures, Ruger will be motivated to get these going right away. Still hesitant to nail down a date(this is Ruger we are talking about, after all ;) ) but things should/might progress quickly now.

I looked on the Lipseys and the Ruger site but nothing up yet. Ruger's site is often months behind but Lipseys might have something up quickly.
 
I also ordered one of these rifles on day 1. I am eagerly looking forward to using it in the field, where it will work just about exactly like the 308 Winchester would. Nothing shabby about that, and in a classsy rifle, yet! Eagleye.
 
SakoAlberta said:
Well guys, we've just taken a step closer. Just got word out of Lipseys that Ruger just sent them a SKU#. This means things are getting close and with a large order, he figures, Ruger will be motivated to get these going right away. Still hesitant to nail down a date(this is Ruger we are talking about, after all ;) ) but things should/might progress quickly now.

I looked on the Lipseys and the Ruger site but nothing up yet. Ruger's site is often months behind but Lipseys might have something up quickly.
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I don't want to push you into a corner here, but does this mean there is a possibility of us hunting with them this fall? :dancingbanana:
 
Perfect! I have a lot of .3105 - .3115 bullets in my stores, few of which shoot really well in my .3132 groove P14's [An exception is the Sierra 180 grain spitzer, which shoots very well indeed] That .311 bore should make those smaller diameter bullet show their stuff! Can't wait to get my hands on mine. Eagleye.
 
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