It sure seems odd. I guess they think it's a selling feature and that everyone wants a brake now....
Ruger Gunsite Scout in .450 Bushmaster
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It sure seems odd. I guess they think it's a selling feature and that everyone wants a brake now....
I read they put one on the 450 BM because of the recoil and it being a budget gun and most people will not drop an expensive scope on it. Don't know if there's any truth to that, I think it was a shot show post or something like that. I want one, have the same rifle in 223 and love it. Excellent value.
Are you kidding? Look at the posts here on CGN; anytime someone buys a rifle bigger than .25-caliber, there will soon be a post warning him that it will tear his arm off and scramble his brains with recoil. Many of today's shooters will soon be mounting recoil reducers on toothpaste tubes and aerosol cans.
Shouldn't it recoil about the same as a 308? Yea its a 45cal, but its shooting 250gr bullets at like 2200fps, not exactly a 458win mag or anything...
Am I the only one who sees no real use for this cartridge? If I was in Texas, doing short-range hog hunting then sure I could see the use, but I don't like the low velocity and light weight for caliber bullet - the sectional density is lower than a 125gr 30cal, the BC's are total trash (SD of .175 and BC of .210 for the only hornady bullet in the caliber, a 250gr FTX)... It just doesn't really have any of the things I look for in a hunting round.
Is this the line for the tough guy contest or something? Or have you just never fired a 300 grain bullet?
In what universe would this "recoil like a .308"? I own its ballistic twin in a very light rifle and you bet your ass it recoils more than a .308.
Also 250 grain FTX is not the only bullet avaliable for this caliber from Hornady, any 454 casull/45 long colt bullet will work.
In what universe would this "recoil like a .308"? I own its ballistic twin in a very light rifle and you bet your ass it recoils more than a .308.
Also 250 grain FTX is not the only bullet avaliable for this caliber from Hornady, any 454 casull/45 long colt bullet will work.
Remington, the owners of Bushmaster also have ammo
https://www.remington.com/ammunition/centerfire-rifle/premier-accutip-450-bushmaster
It is unfortunate that their Hog hammer ammo did not come out or we would have the TSX bullet as well factory loaded
https://www.remington.com/ammunition/centerfire-rifle/premier-accutip-450-bushmaster
It is unfortunate that their Hog hammer ammo did not come out or we would have the TSX bullet as well factory loaded
Well, if the 250gr load produces about the same energy as a 308, then it should be comparable in recoil, no? The recoil velocity should even be lower on the 450, which is what bothers a lot of people.
And no, I have never shot a 300gr bullet. I have shot a 1oz slug from my 18" single shot 12ga that weighs less than 5lbs though. Now she has a kick to 'er!
As for the weight of the rifle, thats entirely irrelevant. If you are discussing the recoil of a cartridge, it would only be fair to compare it in guns of a similar weight. Besides, its not like light 308 rifles dont exist...
edit - I even went to a recoil calculator, and a 168gr 308 pill @ 2650fps in a 5lb gun recoils 30 ft/lbs, whereas a 250gr pill at 2200fps in a 5lb gun recoils 35 ft/lbs. Thats only an increase of 1/6th, or just shy of 17%. My shotgun w/1oz slug going 1550 recoils about 55 ft/lbs.
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Ah yes "only" 17% increase in felt recoil.
All I can say is, in my personal experience the felt recoil of this style of cartridge is more.
My opinion is of course worth just about nothing objectively.
We are having your name engraved on the "tough guy of the year" trophy. It should be ready soon.
All I can say is, in my personal experience the felt recoil of this style of cartridge is more.
My opinion is of course worth just about nothing objectively.
We are having your name engraved on the "tough guy of the year" trophy. It should be ready soon.
This is a Ruger scout chambered in .450 Bushmaster,
I'm sure there are loads other than the 250gr Hornady available, and I'm sure a lighter rifle is going to get your attention more.
No tough guy contest BS, just fact.
I shoot 220gr 308 loads through my scout, the measured MV is 2300fps. A 250gr .450BM round leaving at 2200fps will have no more recoil in this new model of scout. I highly doubt a 300gr load traveling even slower will make a huge difference either.
The big point was that it doesn't recoil enough to warrant a brake. if the recoil is too much because the rifle is too light, then my suggestion would be to get a heavier rifle not put a brake on this one... (although honestly that would be my recomendation for almost any rifle, short of a 50bmg, 338LM or one of the other giant-cased rounds like the RUMs and Weatherby Mags)
If Im not mistaken (And I very well could be, Im no expert on brakes), the velocity of the cartridge and the amount of powder being burned both have an effect on how well a muzzle brake mitigates recoil, so something like this with a relatively low velocity and relatively small powder charge would mean the brake isn't even going to do all that much work?
We can all agree the rifle doesn't recoil enough to warrant a break at least...
I don't know if you are directing your unsolicited "advice" at me or some theoretical individual. I do not have an issue with the recoil on any of the rifles I own...
I don't know if you are directing your unsolicited "advice" at me or some theoretical individual. I do not have an issue with the recoil on any of the rifles I own...
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Better add your name to that tough guy trophy. Its cool, we can share it. lol
Something I noticed was that a 124gr 9mm recoils less that a 115gr. A knowledgeable person pointed it out to me, Could the velocity of the powder leaving behind the bullet and the bore diameter have an effect on felt recoil? Any rocket surgeons on here?
My m77 375 Ruger Guide Gun is at the gunsmith right now getting threads cut off and recrowned.
I'm somewhat interested in this 450 Bushmaster Scout rifle. If they build one in left hand I'd be probably getting in line. I have the Scout 308 and love it, a specialty oddball big bore would be fun, and useful in the brush.
