I don't know about the "by the time you get the one carefully placed shot off, your buddy with the semi has already killed the gopher with two reasonably aimed shots." Why should your first shot, that connects with lethality take any longer than your buddy's? At least yours will hit within 1/2" of where you aimed.
Ruger, piece of sh!t or just me???? Letter sent to Ruger, saga continues.
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Well brothers, I have a stainless 10/22 that has been an absolute tack driver since the day I brought it to the range. It was the first Ruger that I purchased and I have since acquired a Single Six, two Vaqueros and a Security Six. For the money I think that Ruger is one of the best buys. Having said that I have never done barrel changing or any of the other things that have been referred to in this thread. I wish you the best of luck but please don't call Ruger's names, they are good guns.
Sorry maddog, but if you step in sh!t you can still only call it sh!t!!!
All the bids for a brown guy + just flew out the window, and I don't have to end up peeing on any body's feet!!!
Rifle is getting a new barrel from Ruger and I just sold the whole piece of junk (in my eyes) to Hillbilly.
Thanks Grizzleypeg for your input. You are the lead I'm going to follow. Just ordered a CZ 453 Varmint with 5 10rd mags.
Ruger has been now banned from my collection.
The A-team could never hit anything with them so I guess I could have gotten a seat in the van with the rest of the them.
Thanks to you all for your help!!!!
P
I would seriously doubt you will find that CZ anything but meeting your expectations. I would expect though that if you are trying to shoot over 100 yards, you are going to start really getting some challenges due to wind and drop.
Let us know what you think of the trigger. I'm curious as to how good the 453's trigger is. Is it a set trigger, or just extra light?
Let us know what you think of the trigger. I'm curious as to how good the 453's trigger is. Is it a set trigger, or just extra light?
Well Narraway,I guess I have been more fortunate than you. I have had several VERY GOOD semi .22's. A Marlin carbine that worked perfectly and shot excellent. I've also had 3 Squires Binghams( 2 M20P's and an M22 carbine) that all functioned perfectly and shot as good a groups as many of my commercial bolt guns. The M20 P's sold for between $99.00 and $125.00 and functioning and shooting like they did, they were WELL worth the money. The results sure surprised me for a cheap gun. I never purchased a 10/22 before or even fired one for that matter so I can't say anything about them but I have had quite a few others. Those ones I listed were the only good ones I ever had though.
Allan
Allan
There was a gusty wind yeasterday in the split second the bolt guy is figuring if you should hold off 3" or 5" , the semi guy holds on the windward side of fur, pop, adjust , pop splat. Same thing could be said for hold over.
It is less of an issue at closer ranges where the wind and drop are not an issue, though the semi shooter can still push shots since a follow up is a trigger pull away.
It is less of an issue at closer ranges where the wind and drop are not an issue, though the semi shooter can still push shots since a follow up is a trigger pull away.
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Letter sent
To whom it may concern, 25 March 2008
I am writing in regards to my Ruger 10-22 target rifle.
I am hoping you can access my file and see my history and the problems I have had over the last 6 years with this gun.
My last contact with you was regarding the barrel and that it had a large machined cut halfway up the bore. I was told this was a defective barrel and the cut was meant to be the end of a barrel blank. I had a warranty barrel sent out and replaced it on my rifle and have been using it ever since.
I have during this time always wondered why my target model does not shoot as well as my hunting partners 10-22 target rifle. I have tried many types of ammo, cleaning methods and so on.
I recently broke down my rifle and gave it an intense inspection before gopher season and as I always clean the bore from the crown of the barrel and attach a jag in the breech and pull the patch up the barrel I had never noticed any problems.
I decided to remove the barrel and use a push rod in the typical method of pushing a jag and patch up the barrel in the same direction of the bullet and guess what. I encountered a dead spot 2” up the barrel. As I had experienced this with the other defective barrel I new IMMEDIATELY what the problem was. I held the barrel up to a light and there AGAIN was a deep machined cut 2” up the bore.
This is unbelievable. There is no way bad luck is involved in this matter. This shows me the lack of quality, disgusting craftsmanship, and total lack of inspection and quality control you exercise in selling your product to the public.
I am outraged at the amount of money, time and effort I have put into your product. I have hundreds of dollars wasted in ammo that I was ineffectively shooting into varmints and targets. And teaching my sons shooting skills. Money wasted in fuel driving to ranges, property for hunting. My time. Which is more important to me than money. And many lost days of hunting due to wait times for replacement parts.
I put my trust into your company for a reliable product and feel totally let down. No amount of apologies or excuses will work this time. To replace a defective barrel is something I can agree with and would expect from a reputable company. To have it replaced with another defective barrel leave me feeling incredulous to say the least!!!
I hope this letter will reach more than just the customer service department and I will accept no response unless it comes from management. Having a wife who owned a gun store for several years I understand the importance of owners/management having knowledge of problems such as this so as to correct problems, and not have others have to go through this process and be left feeling as I do.
Rest assured I intend to continue to contact Ruger until I have received correspondence that I feel meets my needs and leaves me feeling this matter has been concluded.
In closing I wish to state again my disappointment, frustration, and lack of trust I feel towards your company. I participate in a gun forum here in Canada and see that I am not the only individual to harbor these feelings towards your company and your product.
My collection will never again see a Ruger firearm in my lockers, on the range or out in the field.
I will also make it a point to pass this information along as I post this letter on our gun forum, which includes over 12,000 members and will await your response and your actions to follow. This too I will post for all others to see. I leave it up to you and your company to make this right in my eyes and the eyes of others. I do not wish or intend this action to be threatening or intimidating. I feel that in this day and age companies should be held accountable for their actions and see how they stand up for their customers. This adds to the post I have started explaining to the other members the history of my situation.
I leave this in your hands and eagerly look forward to your response and your solution for this situation.
I remain a VERY DISSATIFIED customer.
(it's around 12 000 members, no???)
I will post the return letter from Ruger and see what becomes of this. I'm not on a witch hunt, but I HATE getting ripped off. If you are happy with your 10-22 good for you. If you are as p!ssed as me, stand by, we will see what happens with this.
To whom it may concern, 25 March 2008
I am writing in regards to my Ruger 10-22 target rifle.
I am hoping you can access my file and see my history and the problems I have had over the last 6 years with this gun.
My last contact with you was regarding the barrel and that it had a large machined cut halfway up the bore. I was told this was a defective barrel and the cut was meant to be the end of a barrel blank. I had a warranty barrel sent out and replaced it on my rifle and have been using it ever since.
I have during this time always wondered why my target model does not shoot as well as my hunting partners 10-22 target rifle. I have tried many types of ammo, cleaning methods and so on.
I recently broke down my rifle and gave it an intense inspection before gopher season and as I always clean the bore from the crown of the barrel and attach a jag in the breech and pull the patch up the barrel I had never noticed any problems.
I decided to remove the barrel and use a push rod in the typical method of pushing a jag and patch up the barrel in the same direction of the bullet and guess what. I encountered a dead spot 2” up the barrel. As I had experienced this with the other defective barrel I new IMMEDIATELY what the problem was. I held the barrel up to a light and there AGAIN was a deep machined cut 2” up the bore.
This is unbelievable. There is no way bad luck is involved in this matter. This shows me the lack of quality, disgusting craftsmanship, and total lack of inspection and quality control you exercise in selling your product to the public.
I am outraged at the amount of money, time and effort I have put into your product. I have hundreds of dollars wasted in ammo that I was ineffectively shooting into varmints and targets. And teaching my sons shooting skills. Money wasted in fuel driving to ranges, property for hunting. My time. Which is more important to me than money. And many lost days of hunting due to wait times for replacement parts.
I put my trust into your company for a reliable product and feel totally let down. No amount of apologies or excuses will work this time. To replace a defective barrel is something I can agree with and would expect from a reputable company. To have it replaced with another defective barrel leave me feeling incredulous to say the least!!!
I hope this letter will reach more than just the customer service department and I will accept no response unless it comes from management. Having a wife who owned a gun store for several years I understand the importance of owners/management having knowledge of problems such as this so as to correct problems, and not have others have to go through this process and be left feeling as I do.
Rest assured I intend to continue to contact Ruger until I have received correspondence that I feel meets my needs and leaves me feeling this matter has been concluded.
In closing I wish to state again my disappointment, frustration, and lack of trust I feel towards your company. I participate in a gun forum here in Canada and see that I am not the only individual to harbor these feelings towards your company and your product.
My collection will never again see a Ruger firearm in my lockers, on the range or out in the field.
I will also make it a point to pass this information along as I post this letter on our gun forum, which includes over 12,000 members and will await your response and your actions to follow. This too I will post for all others to see. I leave it up to you and your company to make this right in my eyes and the eyes of others. I do not wish or intend this action to be threatening or intimidating. I feel that in this day and age companies should be held accountable for their actions and see how they stand up for their customers. This adds to the post I have started explaining to the other members the history of my situation.
I leave this in your hands and eagerly look forward to your response and your solution for this situation.
I remain a VERY DISSATIFIED customer.
(it's around 12 000 members, no???)
I will post the return letter from Ruger and see what becomes of this. I'm not on a witch hunt, but I HATE getting ripped off. If you are happy with your 10-22 good for you. If you are as p!ssed as me, stand by, we will see what happens with this.
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Wowzers. I have trouble believing all of this nonsense about a 10/22. I have three of them in my collection and they are all excellent. I have yet to really have any issues with any of them. They are all pretty much stock except perhaps for changes of optics and wood for plastic, etc. I keep them cleaned and oiled. And they have all served myself and my son well. They are poopy at 100M without optics but with a decent scope I have found each of them to be tack drivers at 100M, considering that a .22 offers its own unique challenges at that range. Recently acquired a Mini 14 .223 and it is great (except for a small issue with the trigger assembly falling out after each shot... which a minor adjustment to the trigger assembly will repair when we have a chance I am sure). The Mini 14 is also pretty much stock except for optics and plastics... and a pretty good tack driver at 100M as one might expect from a .223 with a good scope. I own several other Rugers. Revolvers and semi auto pistols. My Ruger P345 is one of my US carry guns in .45ACP that I am willing to bet my life on. On the range it has taken many hundreds of rounds and has yet to fail me. Hence I am willing to bet my life on it knowing that it is accurate and reliable. Revolvers? Well, what can one say. They just always work right out of the box. So, not meaning to start a flame war, but I just felt compelled to tell the other side of the Ruger story and have to say that all of the problems you have been having with yours should be the topic of some high level tech support at Ruger... just remember that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and that regardless of whom you are dealing with, people are people and you can get a miserable SOB right of the bat on that tech support call regardless of your attitude... but most assuredly your chances of getting decent support go up exponentially if you explain your problem factually and calmly and keep the whole thing impersonal, apologizing to the tech support person if you seem to be a bit abrasive... ask them to understand that you are a little more than irritated with the situation and it has nothing to do with them personally but you are hoping that they will be able to help you.
That barrel story is just amazing. Please, regardless of your own personal experience, take into consideration experiences (good experiences) like I have had. Rugers are good quality firearms for the money. You want better? You need to pay a bit more. But Rugers are generally good guns as far as my own experience has led me to believe.
That barrel story is just amazing. Please, regardless of your own personal experience, take into consideration experiences (good experiences) like I have had. Rugers are good quality firearms for the money. You want better? You need to pay a bit more. But Rugers are generally good guns as far as my own experience has led me to believe.
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Ruger barrels are notoriously poor. There are some that don't turn out too bad (and a few that are very good), but let's face it - there is a dizzying array of aftermarket barrels for the 10/22, largely because the factory barrels very often (though not always) leave something to be desired. (as does the factory trigger). The 10/22 action however, is a pretty nice piece of work, and in conjunction with the Ruger rotary magazine, notoriously reliable - at least in-so-far as the word 'reliable' can be applied to a blow-back operated rimfire being fed cheap-o ammo. How many websites you know hawking replacement barrels for CZ's? You see my point...
That said, a 10/22 can be a very nice platform to build a rimfire on. Go get a Green Mountain barrel in the contour and length you happen to prefer, get one of the lower end trigger kits, and once you've done the ammo test to figure out which ammo your new barrel likes, your 10/22 should put 10 bullets touching at 50M. I'm in to mine for $468 (10/22 CRR, Green Mountain 16" sporter barrel, power custom trigger kit, and hogue overmolded stock), and it's the best little walking-around hunting rimfire I've ever owned -- 6lbs scope and all, totally consistent MOA accuracy with most of the stuff I've ever fed it (DynaPoints, PowerPoints, etc), compact and easy to handle, and another 9 rounds on tap as fast as I can aim and pull the trigger in case the first shot goes awry or I get a 'runner'. Good stuff, in my book (though I freely admit, the as-is from the Ruger factory left something to be desired).
That said, a 10/22 can be a very nice platform to build a rimfire on. Go get a Green Mountain barrel in the contour and length you happen to prefer, get one of the lower end trigger kits, and once you've done the ammo test to figure out which ammo your new barrel likes, your 10/22 should put 10 bullets touching at 50M. I'm in to mine for $468 (10/22 CRR, Green Mountain 16" sporter barrel, power custom trigger kit, and hogue overmolded stock), and it's the best little walking-around hunting rimfire I've ever owned -- 6lbs scope and all, totally consistent MOA accuracy with most of the stuff I've ever fed it (DynaPoints, PowerPoints, etc), compact and easy to handle, and another 9 rounds on tap as fast as I can aim and pull the trigger in case the first shot goes awry or I get a 'runner'. Good stuff, in my book (though I freely admit, the as-is from the Ruger factory left something to be desired).
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Sorry, not meaning to be an ass here, just curious:
You waited until you "felt" a dead spot in the bore before you examined it.... AFTER having shot the replacement barrel for awhile?...
Maybe I misunderstood, but if it was me, the FIRST thing I would done with the replacement barrel was examine it closely upon receipt.
Apologies if I misread.
Neal
You waited until you "felt" a dead spot in the bore before you examined it.... AFTER having shot the replacement barrel for awhile?...
Maybe I misunderstood, but if it was me, the FIRST thing I would done with the replacement barrel was examine it closely upon receipt.
Apologies if I misread.
Neal
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I did look down the barrel. It's really hard to see the cut. It doesn't just jump out. You have to hold the barrel just so to the light.
As I said. Pulling the barrel with a jag, I felt nothing. I don't remove the barrel to clean it. Once I DID take off the barrel and pushed a rod thru it, then I felt the dead spot, and had a closer look.
Wish I could afford a bore scope.
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If you have trouble believing I will PM you a copy of ALL my reciepts.
If you think that is a nasty letter. WOW, that is as nice as I could put it.
Like I also said, happy with your Rugers, great. I'll keep shelling out the big bucks for quality. To me it's worth it. That was the one of the cheapies in my collection and I had it pimped right out.
