Ruger SR9

Hitzy said:
Well its a commercial firearm, not military, so some higher QC is expected. I bought into the reviews as well, not guns and ammo or combat handguns as they are not reliable at all...paid advertising rags never say anything negative about guns. Its an OK gun, its not a killer deal or high quality gun, it goes bang for the most part but there have been and continue to be QC issues with these and all Ruger firearms it seems. I'm just giving facts, I'm trying to like this gun, but its hard with all the little issues adding up. It is a budget gun, and really should be compared to high points and FNC's or whatever those us made glock clones are called.....
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"Goes bang for the most part"...so you have had issues then? Or talking out of your ass? Links/proof of evidence of these guns failing and not working?

I have Approx. 12,000 rounds out of my gun over the past 2ish years...has been shot by many people, been used for 2 black badge courses. NEVER an issue...even during its "break in". Cleaned after every 500 or so rounds.

PS. Mil spec does not mean much...there are many manufacturers that make things that are much higher quality then simply "mil spec".
 
i have one in stainless, i put a box thru it and decided that i like rifles more. I have put up an ad on ee looking to trade it for a 45-70 lever and willing to put in cash if the rifle is worth more. i know i know its rude to hijack threads...sorry
 
I didn't intimate that the SR9 was a "military" sidearm, just that it had shared machining marks that do not impede function.

Facts:

- the Ruger SR series of guns are excellent value for the money
- they exhibit sound engineering
- they are among the most 'idiot proof' guns on the market
- the majority of owners are happy with them

Most salient facts:

- Hitzy does not like Ruger guns in general; the SR9 in particular
- he believes all gun magazine and internet reviews are suspect
 
No one should ever read ONE gun review and take it as the end all, be all.

I personally read/watch 3-6 "professional" reviews on _______ firearm as well as many private/average shooters reviews. Asking to try out peoples guns at the range is another good "test" point as well.

The only modern handgun that I can think of that is #### is the Walther P22s...I have seen 10+ that have had their slides break in two among other issues. STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUN!!!
 
Hitzy has plenty of better guns then the SR9....I bought it based on people's real reviews, forums etc, even with all the rusting slide and barrel peening threads, I still bought one as it was the first Ruger centerfire that seemed like it was worth owning to me. There are many discontinued pieces of #### Ruger centerfire pistols, they don't exactly have a stellar reputation in this area.
My problem was expecting quality and buying sight unseen. There is only ONE piece on this entire gun that sees a tool and the work is done sloppy. That tells me a lot about what the people making these feel about them....put them out fast and cheap, idiots will still buy them.
You cant tell me some dehorning and smoothing would add $200 to the price, do you know anything about plastic molding or casting? I'd bet Ruger pumps these out at a cost of less the $150 to them per unit. Probably closer to $100.
For reliability......I think that is pretty much a give in with any centerfire pistol. If they don't work they don't sell. It's no more or no less reliable then any other pistol I own....it certainly wouldnt be the one i would stake my life on and carry in the US that's for sure.
They make decent rimfires but I'm not sold on any of their centerfire pistols yet. There is a big gap in quality between these and Glocks/M&P.
The cost of the firearm was a major selling point to me, and that's where I went wrong. The cost of a gun is minimal compared to the cost of ammo and gear
 
Thanks for referring to those of us with SR9's as "idiots". I'll reserve my opinion of you.

So, you admit that you bought an SR9 based on price, then you express disappointment that it didn't exhibit handfitting. Tsk, tsk, tsk .... c'est dommage. No, I don't know much about plastic moulding or casting. I presume by your tone that you do. Bravo. I'm happy for you. Perhaps you ought to inform Ruger of your expertise and impression of their pistols.

I daresay that the makers of most firearms get a fraction of the retail cost. In most retail sales, we expect about a 40% mark up. I've heard that the percentage is lower for dealers on individual guns. Not being a dealer, I can't comment further.

No one was claiming super reliability for the SR series of guns over any other make. Professional reviewers don't agree with your assessment of the SR guns for personal defence, but what the hell would guys that carry daily know about it?

I guess all those CAS shooters that pound their Ruger Vaqueros and Black Hawks are also out to lunch and ought to be shooting Ubertis and Piettas that need to be rebuilt new out-of-the box like the last two I bought.

And you're right about the lower cost of a gun off setting the purchase of ammo and gear to shoot it. It allowed my wife to purchase 2000 rds of ball ammo (before it all disappeared to be resold by speculators; brass to be reloaded later), her holster, mag pouches, extra mags and range bag.

People are not abashed to ask 'new' prices (or more) for their SR9's after firing them for the usual "fifty rounds" or less. But there are far fewer SR9's for sale on the EE than there are other models and makes.
 
jeffcarr88 said:
How did you manage to get a stainless slide...or a stainless coated slide to rust?
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Seriously, google it....it was an issue with the metal they used, Ruger qc again.
Wont find that kind of info in gun rags. Am i the only one that actually researched these seriously?
And the black nitride slides are not stainless....not sure where you got that?
 
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Everyone has a lemon once in a while or a small batch of production errors...Ruger makes good on any issues they may have. Unlike Glock who will lies about it and hides it. Google it :)

Ruger sold over 1,000,000 guns in 12 months. Not many people can do that...civilian sales...so they ARE doing something right.

You are the only one who is blowing it out of proportion...even Korth's have issues sometimes. 99.9 times out of 100...there is no problems.
 
I'm the only one claiming it is not the second coming of Christ...I pointed out my perceived short comings in this pistol, I don't think its anything special, I don't think its worth the retail prices here. You might, thats great, people have different tastes and different ideas of value for the buck. People's tastes also change over time...I use to be happy with Norinco guns, not anymore.
 
You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't include referring to those who differ as "idiots". You lose credibility and respect with your "Hitzy-fits". Make your point in an adult manner without disparaging remarks - if possible.
Congrats on your thorough research and evaluation based on a single sample. As for the black nitride finish not being on a stainless slide, take it up with Ruger. I believe their factory description calls it "stainless". If it's wrong, you can finance your next well polished, hand fitted gun with the proceeds from a wrongful/misleading advertising suit.

But you'll probably just whine and ##### about it until the next Ruger gun fails to live up to your expectations. I await your next firearms evaluation and critique with bated breath .....
 
as the one who initially started this thread...I am still eyeing this gun as well as the M&P 9mil. Cost is an issue for me for a first gun...I will go feel, lift, fumble with them and hopefully fire both before I buy.

From what I read on both guns...they both have issues but the majority of reading I have found is that all have issues.
 
Sharps '63 said:
You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't include referring to those who differ as "idiots". You lose credibility and respect with your "Hitzy-fits". Make your point in an adult manner without disparaging remarks - if possible.
Congrats on your thorough research and evaluation based on a single sample. As for the black nitride finish not being on a stainless slide, take it up with Ruger. I believe their factory description calls it "stainless". If it's wrong, you can finance your next well polished, hand fitted gun with the proceeds from a wrongful/misleading advertising suit.

But you'll probably just whine and ##### about it until the next Ruger gun fails to live up to your expectations. I await your next firearms evaluation and critique with bated breath .....
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Idiots was referring to the masses....the public that continues to be thrilled with the ever decreasing quality of mass produced items, in order for companies and shareholders to make greater and greater profits. It happens with cars, houses, tools, clothing, guns....just about everything man can make in north america these days. The same quality items are still there, but have increase with inflation along with the cost of living. So we say "that's too much now, that item was only ### dollars 5/10/20 years ago, I'm not paying that!" And then we have a niche, an opening for someone to make something of lower quality at a lower price that will sell, because people only want to spend ### dollars on this item. There will always be this separation of classes. There will always be people happy to "take a chance" on some cheap #### of known lessor quality. And there will always be people that will spend more for known quality and the peace of mind that comes with getting exactly what you are expecting.
I'm not the only one in this thread that said try before you buy when it comes to Ruger these days. Spend a few hours reading the issues on Ruger forums with all their center fire auto loaders, especially the SR9 and SR1911s. Spending $500-$700 on a new gun should never be a gamble ffs....that's not peanuts to most people.
Also it was the other SR9 apostle that said the slides were stainless and coated stainless so how could they rust. I know the nitride are not stainless....research remember :)
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9/models.html
 
Unbelievable! Now he's divided us into "classes"! I guess that's an upgrade from "idiots". And Rugers are in the category of "cheap #### of known lessor (sic) quality", after admitting that $500-$700 "is not peanuts to most people".

Do you read the stuff you type before pushing 'send'? Tip - if you're going to 'diss' someone or something, at least use a dictionary or some form of 'spell check'. Makes you look less like a dipsh!t.

The REAL idiots are those bent on embarrassing themselves and insulting their peers with elitist comments. Smart people know that the best way out of a hole is to first - stop digging! "Quit while you're losing" is always good advice, but don't stop now, you're on a roll .....

PS: stainless steel is an alloy.
 
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Hitzy said:
....There will always be people happy to "take a chance" on some cheap #### of known lessor quality. And there will always be people that will spend more for known quality and the peace of mind that comes with getting exactly what you are expecting...
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So which one are you? The way you describe buying your SR9 it sounds like you took "a chance on some cheap #### of known lessor quality" yet at the same time got what you expected. f:P:

Hitzy said:
The build quality, fit, and finish on the SR9 is pretty much what I expected.
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I don't think Ruger's incredible success with their SR pistols over the past few years can be blamed on your so-called idiot masses. You've got buyers remorse wrt your SR9, that much is clear. It's just confusing as to why you keep blaming Ruger.
 
A lot of the comments in the thread arent that off base. The SR9 does infact have a shoddy track record, they have had recalls, product safety warnings and QC/reliability issues since their introduction. Has Ruger worked most of them out? Yes, its seems so, but that doesnt erase the past. New production SR9's seem to be much better as far as user reports and I wouldnt shy away from owning one. Does it have the same level of fit and finish of a Glock or M&P? no, but it costs less so it shouldnt be expected. Is it a better value? Thats up to the buyer, some view value as only price, others find great value in quality and workmanship. As far as the topic of Ruger firearms being in short supply, that isnt because they are outselling their competition, its been well documented that Ruger has a low production capacity and doesnt manufacture enough guns to meet their demand. Its been an exhausted topic over the last two years with the SR-22 rifle and SR1911, the same can be said about the GP-100 and SR-9. They are never regularly stocked all year anywhere here in Canada, they are all in short supply at some time or another.
 
SlimTim said:
.... Does it have the same level of fit and finish of a Glock or M&P? no, but it costs less so it shouldnt be expected. Is it a better value? Thats up to the buyer, some view value as only price, others find great value in quality and workmanship....
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I understand what you are saying. The thing is, it's kinda like saying does the Glock or M&P have the same fit and finish as the Sig and HK? Are the Sig and HK a better value then? I don't think value can be viewed as "only price". For me, value is a balance between price and what you get for your $.
 
Sharps '63 said:
PS: stainless steel is an alloy.
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Uhhh not sure what kind of point you are trying to make here? All steel is technically an alloy... Ruger lists the stainless slide as being stainless, and the nitride as being alloy? Are you saying because its listed as alloy that its stainless? Cuz that would be wrong....
It's funny the way people are defending a gun that I don't personally like....like it hurts their feelings or some####. If you like it, enjoy it, op asked for opinions....sucks not everyone is on the same SR9 IS GOD crusade for you, that's pretty clear!
I've pointed out the things I don't like about it, and said to try before you buy....seems like sound advice opposed to "its perfect" or "its $500 what were you expecting?"
 
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