Rumors of a Spring Election

dropinvancouver said:
Your information are false.
Most people come here simply trying to get a better life and so call "Free" style of life.

Some people may do spy jobs because that is what they come here to do, or they can get money for doing it.
Western government sent even more agents to work/live/travel in China as well.

You have been brain washed with false ideas regarding China/Chines people, just like how Libs brain wash people how dangerous hunters/target shooters are.

When the government control the media/newspaper/Televisions, they keep telling lies 24/7/365, most people will believe it.
For that, government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all.
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If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why can Canadians speak out against/protest repressive legislation such as C21 while Chinese cannot?

If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why can Canadians access Global Times/Xinhua News/CGTN, BiliBili, and WeChat but the Chinese cannot access CBC, Reuters, Youtube, Facebook, and Whatsapp without a VPN?

If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why do these pictures exist in Canada but this picture doesn't exist in China?

As an 100% ethnically Chinese dude, I talk to you CCP-supporter types all the time. This particular argument you're making simply doesn't work. There are definitive differences between China and Canada/USA, too many to name. The argument you should be making is whether China's system of C21-style repression is worth it or not.

When the government control the media/newspaper/Televisions, they keep telling lies 24/7/365, most people will believe it.
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Why don't you tell us how many different Chinese "media/newspaper/television" aren't controlled by the Chinese government? Now tell us how many different Canadian "media/newspaper/television" aren't controlled by the Canadian government? You're arguing against yourself man.
 
I don`t believe there will be a vote before 2025. trudeau would have too much to loose, as his anti gun steam roller is picking up speed.
We all know an armed society is a polite society, but the liberals don`t want polite, they want complete control, and an armed society is not easily controlled.
Wake the #### up and realize, Canada can`t be taken back through a power elitist outdated parliamentary system, and if thats the case, well, Canada does not deserve to exist.
Maybe the west should throw up a wall and tell Ottawa to #### off, or maybe we the people should collectively stand up and demand trudeau be put down and raise a new flag.
Happy thoughts is all we are, roll over and face it, we dont have the collective balls to take back our country.
In 2 and 1 half years it will be illegal for a private citizen to own let alone posses firearms. The criminals and illegal trade will prevail. We have been set up for failure, our own doing.

You can rebut my statement all you like, but the proof is the proof is the proof, we are a nation of fools
Vote for whom ever you want, the out come will always be the same, our local MP is a conservative, but he`s also a closet gun hater, ex military #######.

Pls don`t edit the superlatives, its our language and is being used accordingly!
 
Do you think that someone could get the party to actually stand for something and stop selling out when the chips are down ?
 
ColdNano said:
If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why can Canadians speak out against/protest repressive legislation such as C21 while Chinese cannot?

If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why can Canadians access Global Times/Xinhua News/CGTN, BiliBili, and WeChat but the Chinese cannot access CBC, Reuters, Youtube, Facebook, and Whatsapp without a VPN?

If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why do these pictures exist in Canada but this picture doesn't exist in China?

As an 100% ethnically Chinese dude, I talk to you CCP-supporter types all the time. This particular argument you're making simply doesn't work. There are definitive differences between China and Canada/USA, too many to name. The argument you should be making is whether China's system of C21-style repression is worth it or not.



Why don't you tell us how many different Chinese "media/newspaper/television" aren't controlled by the Chinese government? Now tell us how many different Canadian "media/newspaper/television" aren't controlled by the Canadian government? You're arguing against yourself man.
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Try getting anyone in the NBA to speak out against China…
 
ColdNano said:
If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why can Canadians speak out against/protest repressive legislation such as C21 while Chinese cannot?

Ottawa used force to disband the peaceful family Freedom Convoy protest. Those that speak out are not reported in the leftist bought and paid for media.

If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why can Canadians access Global Times/Xinhua News/CGTN, BiliBili, and WeChat but the Chinese cannot access CBC, Reuters, Youtube, Facebook, and Whatsapp without a VPN?

We are already heavily censored, lied to, lied to by omission, fed propaganda by state funded leftist media. We are not yet as bad as China, but that is the end game and will take a little longer.

If "government of Canada/USA is no better than Chinese communist party at all", why do these pictures exist in Canada but this picture doesn't exist in China?

Patience........it takes time to "legally" implement the program. Force is still frowned upon.

As an 100% ethnically Chinese dude, I talk to you CCP-supporter types all the time. This particular argument you're making simply doesn't work. There are definitive differences between China and Canada/USA, too many to name. The argument you should be making is whether China's system of C21-style repression is worth it or not.

Of course there are still differences. And will continue for a while. But the agenda is clear and the creeping globalist agenda never rests. You as a Chinese person should be standing strong against what is going to happen here if you and I don't say NO. You should be under no illusion of what can happen and will happen if pushback fails.



Why don't you tell us how many different Chinese "media/newspaper/television" aren't controlled by the Chinese government? Now tell us how many different Canadian "media/newspaper/television" aren't controlled by the Canadian government? You're arguing against yourself man.
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Sure things are just peachy keen here for many of us.

But they are not going to stay that way unless the enemy is stopped.

A lot of people have been hurt and are hurting.

The resistance will grow.
 
shiloh87 said:
I don`t believe there will be a vote before 2025. trudeau would have too much to loose, as his anti gun steam roller is picking up speed.
We all know an armed society is a polite society, but the liberals don`t want polite, they want complete control, and an armed society is not easily controlled.
Wake the #### up and realize, Canada can`t be taken back through a power elitist outdated parliamentary system, and if thats the case, well, Canada does not deserve to exist.
Maybe the west should throw up a wall and tell Ottawa to #### off, or maybe we the people should collectively stand up and demand trudeau be put down and raise a new flag.
Happy thoughts is all we are, roll over and face it, we dont have the collective balls to take back our country.
In 2 and 1 half years it will be illegal for a private citizen to own let alone posses firearms. The criminals and illegal trade will prevail. We have been set up for failure, our own doing.

You can rebut my statement all you like, but the proof is the proof is the proof, we are a nation of fools
Vote for whom ever you want, the out come will always be the same, our local MP is a conservative, but he`s also a closet gun hater, ex military #######.

Pls don`t edit the superlatives, its our language and is being used accordingly!
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There is only one vote if your own firearms and have any hope of freedom and liberty.

Vote Pierre P. and the CPC.
 
slarsen47 said:
There is only one vote if your own firearms and have any hope of freedom and liberty.

Vote Pierre P. and the CPC.
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I plan to and I hope it will make a difference. In the interum
In reality, nothing or very little will change with regards to OIC 2020. Then the libs will be back and on it goes......... Until we`re all disarmed. Because that will make us safer and all will be equal, sound commy to me.
 
Byelection being held today for vacant Mississauga-Lakeshore seat in the GTA.

Held by the Liberals.

Lib candidate is Charles Sousa, former Ontario Finance Minister in Kathleen Wynne's provincial Liberal government.

Liberals are throwing the kitchen sink at this. Trudeau and several cabinet ministers have been out with Sousa campaigning.

It's been a Liberal seat for years. He's from the riding. He's a "star" candidate. he shouldn't need all that help.
 
shiloh87 said:
I plan to and I hope it will make a difference. In the interum
In reality, nothing or very little will change with regards to OIC 2020. Then the libs will be back and on it goes......... Until we`re all disarmed. Because that will make us safer and all will be equal, sound commy to me.
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IF the Libs make gun control a central plank in their platform, and lose, it will change things. For starters, Trudeau will be gone.

Former Lib MP Wayne Easter always warned the Liberals about pushing gun control after they won majority in 1993. They continued, almost lost in 1997. warned they again in 2004 and 2006. They lost their majority in 04 and government in 06. He remains convince to this day their push for more gun control was a major factor.
 
soulchaser said:
IF the Libs make gun control a central plank in their platform, and lose, it will change things. For starters, Trudeau will be gone.

Former Lib MP Wayne Easter always warned the Liberals about pushing gun control after they won majority in 1993. They continued, almost lost in 1997. warned they again in 2004 and 2006. They lost their majority in 04 and government in 06. He remains convince to this day their push for more gun control was a major factor.
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Yes, but a lot has changed since 1993, even 2006. A lot more wokeism going on.
 
"What actions should we be taking to build the conservative vote, while also dividing the three opposing parties? You tell me CGN"

Convince the CPC to adopt a new approach to the issues surrounding gun control by announcing a promise to broker an alliance modelled to the one started by the AFSP and the NSSF in the USA. Here are the facts:

- Bill C-21 and all before it were based on emotion reaction to "objects". The facts on the people behind the guns (you & I) have been collateral damage.
- suicide and domestic violence are large components of the number of deaths that can be tied to firearms.
- the gun issue is openly divisive: East vs West, urban/rural, PG/ROC and the LPC counts on this division for its base.
- the CPC traditionally supports gun owners which the LPC uses to paint them as "gun loving".

The answer to this is for the CPC to adopt an entirely new platform plank by proposing to broker an alliance modelled after the one which began in the USA in 206 and continues to grow. One of the better links to describe this arrangement is in my sig line.

Why will this build our CPC base and what will that do for PP's chances? These are the possibilities:

- the big win is that PP would come out as a healer trying to improve public safety and bring people together rather than continue the endless argy/bargy around which guns are "acceptable to Canadians".
- the CSAAA can represent the gun owners and inject new blood into the debate. The other orgs have too much baggage.
- the image of the gun community would change from that of a bunch of criminals in waiting to supporters of the common good.
- the choice of which NGO to ally with is endless. CMHA, CASP are possibilities; anti suicide help for our veterans would be topical.
- the tools developed for suicide prevention and public safety could be used for the broader public.
- this type of alliance has been in operation in the USA long enough that there is a rich template that we could ask to use which shortens the development time. The Spring election s more than a possibility; my opinion is that it is a given.
- the switch to real solutions gives the CPC the platform to rationally discuss facts/statistics around gun deaths, push the LPC for action on issues like smuggling and criminal use of firearms and gives the CPC political currency to side with gun owners as a group not to be discriminated against for political gain.
- ladies and urbanites may be more inclined to vote CPC if the party proved that public safety was top of mind instead of the focus on "saving" assault rifles and handguns. This new approach would showcase the human side of the CPC and soften the corners of our image.

NOTE! the CPC can still act on our behalf but the focus on healing the divide and pressing for real solutions changes the narrative completely leaving the LPC struggling to catch up while it highlights the LPC mantra of fear and division as a cynical political ploy. The PP Freedom meme isn't affected and divisiveness is replaced with hope! And hope is a key emotion here because so much around us looks hopeless now.

I will be driving through Vernon in the new year and I can stop and discuss this in more detail since I've been following the US example in detail for the last few years. PM me anytime if you're interested because there are many more details available.

EDIT: in addition to building the prospects of building the CPC vote this new approach has the promise of weakening the liberals position on their key election plank. For example if the plan was to include as partners with government Ministries (and it must) this new approach has a collateral benefit by inference of including Veterans Affairs (McAulay), Public Safety and Health (Duclos); the Ministers of these departments are some of the weakest in the constellation of incompetence and they are all wounded now. During an election campaign the mind shift would make them, with their lack of credibility to carry anything out, prime targets in ridings which should be high on the CPC electoral radar.
 
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caramel said:
They wont survive the deficient economy, no ones does
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Liberal voters are not interested in the economy, at the end of the day, their government will take care of them. Charles D'Sousa who nearly bankrupted Ontario just got elected in a by-election.
 
scout_289 said:
"What actions should we be taking to build the conservative vote, while also dividing the three opposing parties? You tell me CGN"

Convince the CPC to adopt a new approach to the issues surrounding gun control by announcing a promise to broker an alliance modelled to the one started by the AFSP and the NSSF in the USA. Here are the facts:

- Bill C-21 and all before it were based on emotion reaction to "objects". The facts on the people behind the guns (you & I) have been collateral damage.
- suicide and domestic violence are large components of the number of deaths that can be tied to firearms.
- the gun issue is openly divisive: East vs West, urban/rural, PG/ROC and the LPC counts on this division for its base.
- the CPC traditionally supports gun owners which the LPC uses to paint them as "gun loving".

The answer to this is for the CPC to adopt an entirely new platform plank by proposing to broker an alliance modelled after the one which began in the USA in 206 and continues to grow. One of the better links to describe this arrangement is in my sig line.

Why will this build our CPC base and what will that do for PP's chances? These are the possibilities:

- the big win is that PP would come out as a healer trying to improve public safety and bring people together rather than continue the endless argy/bargy around which guns are "acceptable to Canadians".
- the CSAAA can represent the gun owners and inject new blood into the debate. The other orgs have too much baggage.
- the image of the gun community would change from that of a bunch of criminals in waiting to supporters of the common good.
- the choice of which NGO to ally with is endless. CMHA, CASP are possibilities; anti suicide help for our veterans would be topical.
- the tools developed for suicide prevention and public safety could be used for the broader public.
- this type of alliance has been in operation in the USA long enough that there is a rich template that we could ask to use which shortens the development time. The Spring election s more than a possibility; my opinion is that it is a given.
- the switch to real solutions gives the CPC the platform to rationally discuss facts/statistics around gun deaths, push the LPC for action on issues like smuggling and criminal use of firearms and gives the CPC political currency to side with gun owners as a group not to be discriminated against for political gain.
- ladies and urbanites may be more inclined to vote CPC if the party proved that public safety was top of mind instead of the focus on "saving" assault rifles and handguns. This new approach would showcase the human side of the CPC and soften the corners of our image.

NOTE! the CPC can still act on our behalf but the focus on healing the divide and pressing for real solutions changes the narrative completely leaving the LPC struggling to catch up while it highlights the LPC mantra of fear and division as a cynical political ploy. The PP Freedom meme isn't affected and divisiveness is replaced with hope! And hope is a key emotion here because so much around us looks hopeless now.

I will be driving through Vernon in the new year and I can stop and discuss this in more detail since I've been following the US example in detail for the last few years. PM me anytime if you're interested because there are many more details available.

EDIT: in addition to building the prospects of building the CPC vote this new approach has the promise of weakening the liberals position on their key election plank. For example if the plan was to include as partners with government Ministries (and it must) this new approach has a collateral benefit by inference of including Veterans Affairs (McAulay), Public Safety and Health (Duclos); the Ministers of these departments are some of the weakest in the constellation of incompetence and they are all wounded now. During an election campaign the mind shift would make them, with their lack of credibility to carry anything out, prime targets in ridings which should be high on the CPC electoral radar.
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there is WAYYYY too much info here for the average voter. you need soundbites

1) CPC is about fiscal responsibility (always has been). We are going to a recession. CPC is best to hold the cheque book at this time. (Hammer on CERB waste)

2) Healthcare in every province is in shambles. A committee to investigate potential increased federal involvement will be created. (the average voter doesn't understand/or care that healthcare is provincial, they just want it fixed!)

3) The military is a mess and Russia (our next door neighbour) is a real threat. CPC will invest smartly in the right places to build it back while not giving kickbacks to the Irving's to build multi billion dollar ships. (Throw in: CPC will help veterans to prevent suicide, Unlike the Lib's that help veterans commit suicide)

4) >80% of firearms used in crime are handguns smuggled from the US. Significant resources will be spent with CBSA to address that. (don't even talk about all the other stuff. There is no upside in a debate)


Stay on these 4 points over and over and over.

PS: Follow Harpers text book answer on Religion, Abortion, Same ###, Weed.... "We will not change any existing laws around these topics"
 
Jmcc said:
there is WAYYYY too much info here for the average voter. you need soundbites

1) CPC is about fiscal responsibility (always has been). We are going to a recession. CPC is best to hold the cheque book at this time. (Hammer on CERB waste)

2) Healthcare in every province is in shambles. A committee to investigate potential increased federal involvement will be created. (the average voter doesn't understand/or care that healthcare is provincial, they just want it fixed!)

3) The military is a mess and Russia (our next door neighbour) is a real threat. CPC will invest smartly in the right places to build it back while not giving kickbacks to the Irving's to build multi billion dollar ships. (Throw in: CPC will help veterans to prevent suicide, Unlike the Lib's that help veterans commit suicide)

4) >80% of firearms used in crime are handguns smuggled from the US. Significant resources will be spent with CBSA to address that. (don't even talk about all the other stuff. There is no upside in a debate)


Stay on these 4 points over and over and over.

PS: Follow Harpers text book answer on Religion, Abortion, Same ###, Weed.... "We will not change any existing laws around these topics"
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For clarity:
- this is a suggestion in response to an entity that is capable, connected and visionary. Not a final product to be delivered to the MSM or to the public at large.
- this is a strategy which can be distilled into 10 second sound bites for public consumption, thoughts that can be voiced by CPC candidates on the campaign trail to resonate with the public and be crafted to showcase it during the election debates.
- all of your points are pretty much in play already and didn't work. The MSM focus on O'Toole's position on gun control neutered any impact of these points during his campaign. Liberal deflection works miracles for them so repeating failure is a non starter in my book.
- have you followed the alliance in the USA and gauged its impact? I have. Maybe you can tell me why they went to the trouble when they have the secondamenment and a stacked SCOUS?
- none of the points that you outline connote HOPE, they just paint a dark picture. Hope floats.
- if your points are working so well why did the by election on Monday turn so dismal?

At least you have ideas that you share, thank you for that. But we need something new to kick the stool out from under the LPC.
 
Jmcc said:
there is WAYYYY too much info here for the average voter. you need soundbites

1) CPC is about fiscal responsibility (always has been). We are going to a recession. CPC is best to hold the cheque book at this time. (Hammer on CERB waste)

2) Healthcare in every province is in shambles. A committee to investigate potential increased federal involvement will be created. (the average voter doesn't understand/or care that healthcare is provincial, they just want it fixed!)

3) The military is a mess and Russia (our next door neighbour) is a real threat. CPC will invest smartly in the right places to build it back while not giving kickbacks to the Irving's to build multi billion dollar ships. (Throw in: CPC will help veterans to prevent suicide, Unlike the Lib's that help veterans commit suicide)

4) >80% of firearms used in crime are handguns smuggled from the US. Significant resources will be spent with CBSA to address that. (don't even talk about all the other stuff. There is no upside in a debate)


Stay on these 4 points over and over and over.

PS: Follow Harpers text book answer on Religion, Abortion, Same ###, Weed.... "We will not change any existing laws around these topics"
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Bingo, if he makes any upcoming election one about guns he will quickly hand a majority government to the Liberals.

90% of the population do not know the difference between a machine gun and a water gun.
 
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