blaxsun
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Also I thought the G36 was better then the AR15 platform, so why the HK 416
So the US could still operate something that "looks" American while at the same time be inherently German in design.
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So the US could still operate something that "looks" American while at the same time be inherently German in design.
So the US could still operate something that "looks" American while at the same time be inherently German in design.
nah all the good german gun designers are retired or dead
When university kids with no combat experience use autocad you get the G36
Sorry I really hate the G36
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Will do
Hey Germans been in a real fire fight since 1945? thought so
Also I thought the G36 was better then the AR15 platform, so why the HK 416
You didn't just do that did you?
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So the US could still operate something that "looks" American while at the same time be inherently German in design.
Yes.. yes.. and the German design had NOTHING to do with Eugene Stoner's design.
Pure coincidence I suspect.
blaxsun
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When university kids with no combat experience use autocad you get the G36
Sorry I really hate the G36
lol. But it looks cool, right?
Yes.. yes.. and the German design had NOTHING to do with Eugene Stoner's design.
Pure coincidence I suspect.
Entirely...
Don't they say plagiarism is the purest form of flattery? ;
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Ze Germans always like mounting their optics crazy high!!
HKG36 was a great weapon system and when looking at it from the big picture for an army, it is a great system. To keep in mind though some things about the AR line just worked out to be suitable for the 21st century soldiers needs better when considering light,optics,laser, and NVG's in mind. I had a chance to finally handle an ACR, this weak at a gun shop amongst a few other of the new breed rifles but must say really the advantages or difference in the chassis and operating system on some these rifles is just a different flavor of kool-aid.
On forums rarely is the big picture put on the requirements list of members before they purchase a rifle of any sorts. Really the needs and requirements a buyer makes his purchase on are vary narrow view of what will be needed and that makes sense in most cases.
As for Heckler & Koch copying the Eugene stoner line, I think a lot of you guys should read up on the history of why HK4/416/417 project was started in the first place. There is nothing wrong with taking a great mousetrap and adding some new features or improvements over the previous, and it did that and more. If what HK did is called plagiarism then you could say a lot of the same things about Eugene or Kalashnikov did were too.
Most of the short comings on a G36 are overcome with training anyways, that being said for a gun fight I prefer the AR line,especially when considering the amount of options that are better suited for the AR line in regards to NV,Lights,Laser,optics.. G36 came out as quick replacement for the faded G11 project and back then there was no idea of what would develop on the small arms market considering modularity and after market accessories that would transcend assault weapons criteria and potential.
If I wanted many of the positives that come from the G36 series and any one in the right mind would, I would get the HK416 line if the two options were up to me. Its the king of hill and the manufacturing process on there rifles is usually never matched till years after the fact by other companies. Considering that project got going in the early 2000's and came into service late 2003ish, and it is still outperforming all other manufactures in most categories if not all, take that for what it is.
I think the only real complaint from the users/buyers out there is the cost of these rifles, but when you consider what you are really getting and all the red tape HK must deal with to get there rifles out there in civilian hands the price is justified. For most peoples requirements you don't need one, but if you got the money you sure as hell would buy one.
On forums rarely is the big picture put on the requirements list of members before they purchase a rifle of any sorts. Really the needs and requirements a buyer makes his purchase on are vary narrow view of what will be needed and that makes sense in most cases.
As for Heckler & Koch copying the Eugene stoner line, I think a lot of you guys should read up on the history of why HK4/416/417 project was started in the first place. There is nothing wrong with taking a great mousetrap and adding some new features or improvements over the previous, and it did that and more. If what HK did is called plagiarism then you could say a lot of the same things about Eugene or Kalashnikov did were too.
Most of the short comings on a G36 are overcome with training anyways, that being said for a gun fight I prefer the AR line,especially when considering the amount of options that are better suited for the AR line in regards to NV,Lights,Laser,optics.. G36 came out as quick replacement for the faded G11 project and back then there was no idea of what would develop on the small arms market considering modularity and after market accessories that would transcend assault weapons criteria and potential.
If I wanted many of the positives that come from the G36 series and any one in the right mind would, I would get the HK416 line if the two options were up to me. Its the king of hill and the manufacturing process on there rifles is usually never matched till years after the fact by other companies. Considering that project got going in the early 2000's and came into service late 2003ish, and it is still outperforming all other manufactures in most categories if not all, take that for what it is.
I think the only real complaint from the users/buyers out there is the cost of these rifles, but when you consider what you are really getting and all the red tape HK must deal with to get there rifles out there in civilian hands the price is justified. For most peoples requirements you don't need one, but if you got the money you sure as hell would buy one.
For all the G36 haters:
Some of the original HK testing at the Yuma proving ground had G36's running 24000 rounds with no lubing, no cleaning and no parts breakage. I love the good DI AR's especially Knights, Colt Canada, LMT to name a few.....but I'm waiting for any DI gun to match that performance. The fact is, despite some of the G36's short comings, no other gun can match that performance. There's also the infamous dust testing and once again the XM-8 / G36 did the best there yet again.
Putting on a new telescoping / adjustable length pull stock, Knights low-profile metal sight rail and an updated mag well to take the inferior magpul mags (which are pretty good these days and alot smaller / thinner than the G36 mags) and you have a darn good combat rifle system....probably the most reliable currently running these days. Most of the detractors have very limited or no experience in carrying a G36.
Rich
Some of the original HK testing at the Yuma proving ground had G36's running 24000 rounds with no lubing, no cleaning and no parts breakage. I love the good DI AR's especially Knights, Colt Canada, LMT to name a few.....but I'm waiting for any DI gun to match that performance. The fact is, despite some of the G36's short comings, no other gun can match that performance. There's also the infamous dust testing and once again the XM-8 / G36 did the best there yet again.
Putting on a new telescoping / adjustable length pull stock, Knights low-profile metal sight rail and an updated mag well to take the inferior magpul mags (which are pretty good these days and alot smaller / thinner than the G36 mags) and you have a darn good combat rifle system....probably the most reliable currently running these days. Most of the detractors have very limited or no experience in carrying a G36.
Rich
All the stoppages were on 1 HK magazine out of the 10 used on the HK416. So you can draw the conclusion that the 416 is right up there if not better than the other two rifles in that test.
Still not as bad as this Estonian's setup in A-stan.
Seriously dude?
Why Estonians don't play in World Cup - they didn't apply in time...
New Estonian bred Grayhound - is to be used in hunt for wounded turtles and snails...
You get an invite to Christmas party on Jan 8th - you are in Estonia...
G36 was the best low cost gun to equip the unified Germany.
Does it have issues - yes, but it also has some great characteristics.
I run my optics higher than normal - so I can use them passively with dual tube NV. It also helps a lot when shooting on the move etc as you keep your head more upright and level increasing peripheral vision and keeping your equilibrium.
I can also tuck my PEQ under the optic to keep its fragile body safe.
Does it have issues - yes, but it also has some great characteristics.
I run my optics higher than normal - so I can use them passively with dual tube NV. It also helps a lot when shooting on the move etc as you keep your head more upright and level increasing peripheral vision and keeping your equilibrium.
I can also tuck my PEQ under the optic to keep its fragile body safe.
critter928
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Don't rain on the armchair QB's parade and tell them all their preconceptions are wrong.
A lot of people forget that "one size fits all" does not work with firearms. What works for you might not work for another guy.
See a ton of guy's at the range with cutom AR's/CZ/XCR etc.. that look cool. But you can see that they dont fit the shooter and they look very goofy shooting them.
See a ton of guy's at the range with cutom AR's/CZ/XCR etc.. that look cool. But you can see that they dont fit the shooter and they look very goofy shooting them.
Matt_dal123
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Fully agree. I used to see Some of the spec ops guys in Kandahar turn up in the cook house with rifles that looked either plain or just boring or even funny looking; but gauranreed they would fit them well for firing and do the job they need them to do. It's the 1st tour grunts who chuck #### all over thier rifles and find pretty quickly that They don't need or like it on there. By the next tour, the basics are on there, that's it.
As for Russians, I think they are on the same page (most of the time). Keep it simple. If it works, don't fix it. The word that comes to mind is Kalashnikov.
