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You're talking about people who thought they could have running water in their homes by ripping out and taking home the water faucets of German houses they ransacked.
Grizz
One of the last russian battle wagons to be built was the gun cruiser Murmansk. I think this was the last class of ship to be built without missile armament. Kitted as follows:
12 × 15.2 cm (6.0 in)/57 cal B-38 guns in 4 triple Mk5-bis turrets
12 × 10 cm (3.9 in)/56 cal Model 1934 guns in 6 twin SM-5-1 mounts
32 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) AA guns
10 × 533 mm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes
In 1994 Murmansk was sold to India for scrapping but ran aground off the Norwegian village of Sørvær during the transfer. It was first estimated that the winter storms would destroy the parts of Murmansk above the water, but in 2009 funding was allocated to pay for the dismantling of the vessel. Since the ship was in very bad state when the decision to remove it was done, there was no possibility to tow it. It had to be removed piece by piece.
12 × 15.2 cm (6.0 in)/57 cal B-38 guns in 4 triple Mk5-bis turrets
12 × 10 cm (3.9 in)/56 cal Model 1934 guns in 6 twin SM-5-1 mounts
32 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) AA guns
10 × 533 mm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes
In 1994 Murmansk was sold to India for scrapping but ran aground off the Norwegian village of Sørvær during the transfer. It was first estimated that the winter storms would destroy the parts of Murmansk above the water, but in 2009 funding was allocated to pay for the dismantling of the vessel. Since the ship was in very bad state when the decision to remove it was done, there was no possibility to tow it. It had to be removed piece by piece.
You're talking about people who thought they could have running water in their homes by ripping out and taking home the water faucets of German houses they ransacked.
Grizz
Is that true they were that dumb? Or are you funnin me?
Yepp , thats true , small boats and big icebreakers , soviets didn't build something big , what for? , Baltic sea is tiny puddle , up North lakes and small seas , Murmansk dont need heavy armoured ships , submarines was enough plus transport ships .
Nope you wrong , "spetsnaz" its kind of very prepared fighters in different army units , could be desant(VDV) could be FSB (ex KGB ) could be GRU ( CIA version ) Board Control , also Navy , Police spetsnaz and many others , but main difference from any army fighters(soldiers ) is highly educated , many languages knowledge , fight and shooting skills, special weapons . I just count 15 different "spetsnaz" teams in Russian Army .
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There's plenty of morons in every single country of the world
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Согласен , но я не думаю что бы там кто то засирал судно , может и нашли пару какашек и то скорее всего от собак которые охраняли корабли .
The story about the pooped ship, is totally improbable.
The discipline in the Red/Soviet Army has always been inhuman, especially during the War. The price of the the lives was negative. The Soviets spent their population in hundreds of thousands and millions each year. Just look at the smallest one, the war with Finland, where Red Army losses were 10:1 comparing with Finns. Any significant battle, even (or especially) if won, ended in the numbers of killed which matched losses of any other country over the course of whole wars. In 1941, close to one million Red Army soldiers and officers, not only surrendered to Germans but formed whole armies, which fought on the German side, such number of traitors unprecedented in any other war in human history, including Russia.
In these conditions, any sailor behaving like that, would be just shot on the spot.
The discipline in the Red/Soviet Army has always been inhuman, especially during the War. The price of the the lives was negative. The Soviets spent their population in hundreds of thousands and millions each year. Just look at the smallest one, the war with Finland, where Red Army losses were 10:1 comparing with Finns. Any significant battle, even (or especially) if won, ended in the numbers of killed which matched losses of any other country over the course of whole wars. In 1941, close to one million Red Army soldiers and officers, not only surrendered to Germans but formed whole armies, which fought on the German side, such number of traitors unprecedented in any other war in human history, including Russia.
In these conditions, any sailor behaving like that, would be just shot on the spot.
I can bet 1,000 it was other way around...
That is the way it is today but the original concept and training procedures for the Spetznaz were developed by a Navy Infantry officer in WW2. A lot of his methods are still used today. And yes I know that Spetznaz is the Russian equivalent of Seals, SAS, Commandos etc.
No joke. Heard stories of Ivans willing to trade armfulls of non working wrist watches for one that ran. Got to wind them once in a while to make them work, you know.
These people were literally still in the stone ages on some levels.Grizz
No joke. Heard stories of Ivans willing to trade armfulls of non working wrist watches for one that ran. Got to wind them once in a while to make them work, you know.
Grizz
Just a single fact: the Moscow watch factory produced 2.7 million watches between 1930 and 1940.
So, people did know how watches worked.
Funny enough, but brother of my grandfather traded bunch of German watches to Americans for a brand new Jeep in 1945. He absolutely loved that car and worked on it with my uncle, who later became a car mechanic. Now, that's now just some story from unknown, I heard it personally and did see the pictures of the jeep.
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