Russian SKS45 long thread.

will326 said:
SIR say they are waiting for their SKS shipment, however their track record isn't that great. I saw the shipment that Home Hardware in Yorkton Saskatchewan, now has just put out on display. They are there now and some beutiful laminate stocks, these are the real Russian SKS's Sininov, Tula factory one's. $199.99 but well worth it. Over 110 in stock but going fast
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do you know where they got their SKS from?
 
The yorkton SKS's are from Bell, they do have the painted bolts but they have the star marking and manufactured date. They also have a surplus of accessories as ammo and oil can pouches etc.
 
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Wow just talk to there guy in the sporting goods deparment and he seems like a great guy, plus he even know what he is talking about. He says that there are going to be recieving some in mid june that don't have any black bolt carriers, also bayonets will not be painted black. Couldn't bride him to put one aside for me though.;) I geuss I have to wait tell june.
 
Del Selin Gunsmith in Vernon BC has 105 on the way. Some are from Bell, some are from Lever's. Apparently the ones from levers have un-painted bolt carriers, not sure if painted or still blued.
 
Satain said:
With all this talk about getting SKS's. I said to my self I should take a little ride down to lever arms and buy one. On the advise of Cuttorn I went in seen a guy named Jermy and told him that I have no clue about these rifles but I wold like to purchase one. To my supprise he just states that "They are a cheap sks and if you want one go find one you like." I was like "O.K." and went ohing and awwing over about 100 rifles tell I seen one I might like to see. So I walked back down to there till and said "I think I see a winner." So we walk back up and he pulls it out of the case and hands it to me. Well the way it was placed in the cabinet you couldn't tell that on the back side right were the barrel meets the stalk that it seem's that the stock was cut and glued back together. So I said "I don't want one with a stock that looks like that." to his reply " You are talking about Russian quality control, there all like this." I shook my head in disbelief and started looking for another one seen a nice Tula 1945 and this baby was spanking great extior condition. I looked at him and said "Wait a sec. Don't run off just yet, I want that one." So he walks back up and with a jess sound that comes out of his mouth, he opens another cabinet opens the chamber and hands me the rifle. I look it over and from everything thats been said on this fourm it seems like a keeper. I ask Jermy "So is this a new rifle or what?" he quickly replies "No they have all been refurbished and checked over before shipping to us." I then try holding it up to the light to exam the bore but the lighting in there is the pits so I try to walk closer to the light and he starts flipping out so I ask him for a bore light, "NO" can I walk over by the till with it and check it "NO". So I at this point I didn't care any more and told him to wrap it up. He then hands it over to this Asian guy who put's on a glove and start's wrapping it up. I say "I am so excited this is going to be my first firearm purchase from your company. I have buaght stuff from almost every company across Canada except for you guys." He grin's and smiles. So then I ask him what with the glove he then tells me that these were packed in grease and you need to clean it before firing it and that you should also check the net for cool little tricks on how to clean it properly after firing the corrosive ammo through it. I was like "Thanx for the tip you plan on getting anymore non-corrosive ammo from norinco?" Well all of a sudden Jermy snaps over "No, not until all this check stuff is sold, then we will see if we can get some. Oh and by the way the CFC says that there is a problem transferring the firearm into your name. So here is the number and once they aprove it get them to fax it to us at this number." Then turns around takes my credit card from my hand and rings through the sale. I was so puzzled :confused: I have buaght normerous restricted weapons and never had to done any paper work when buying from a company and this is a non-restricted and I have to do paper work??? The Asian guy looks at me with a puzzled face and hands me a baggy with all the extra goodies. So I phone the number and it's the east coast CFC number. the totally wrong one then they give me the right number to phone. So when I calling this number I look at the Asian guy(sorry he never told me his name but was really helpful) and told him my cell phone battery was dying, so he placed there phone on the counter. Thats when Jermy comes out of no were takes the phone and stands infront of me with a confertaional pose. So me instead of confronting him I tell him that the CFC say's that the serial number is registered to too many people and that they can't aprove it until they get a verifier to come down and add extra numbers to it. He looks at me with a mad face and states "That the government for ya." Well I was in shock. I thought to my self what type of company is this? What am I getting myself into? All of a sudden the big red button with the words ABORT apear in my head. I tell him "I want to cancel this!". He laugh's at me and says "Nope! To late it's already in your name. This stuff happens all the time. Call us once they get a hold of you." I wanted at this point to reach over and well you get the point but I don't I grab the bag of goodies and state to these guy's looking at some SKS's in the cabinet "Good luck in trying to get through's registered in your name. I hope in my truck and can't belive what just happened to me. I can't accept this out come. I call the CFC again and get another lady and tell her "I just had the worst customer service ever and this transaction frankly is really worrying me is there any way to cancel this transfer?" She states no problem I will withdraw your application for transfer. I said to her that the man in the store told me that this could not be done. She replied that they have been having some trouble with this company and that a review will be takening place soon. I told her if she needed any info to feel free and contact me and thank-you. No less the 2 minutes later I get a phone call from Lever Arms and the Asian guy asks me to come back so he can issue me a refund. I walk in with a big grin on my face and hand him my credit card and say to Jermy "I thought that I couldn't cancel it?" He sarcastically replies "You withdrew it and any way this stuff happens all the time." I quickly respond "Well I guess there is a reason why I only shop at Italian and Reliable and never here." before I can even finish my statement he cuts me off "Well good for you. I glad." I laugh in his face and say "I normally say have a nice day but in this case you can go f^@k yourself." I turn around and there is a cop there looking at me. I tell him also "Good luck in getting that SKS cause it seem like some one is under investigation" and walk out the door never ever to return. From now on I think I will stick to reputable dealer's from this website. Although I have heard a lot of good stuff from people that have bought from Lever I am one that tried but will never ever support that high level of customer service again.
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this wall of text make my eyes bleed:eek:
 
Satain said:
With all this talk about getting SKS's. I said to my self I should take a little ride down to lever arms and buy one. On the advise of Cuttorn I went in seen a guy named Jermy and told him that I have no clue about these rifles but I wold like to purchase one. To my supprise he just states that "They are a cheap sks and if you want one go find one you like." I was like "O.K." and went ohing and awwing over about 100 rifles tell I seen one I might like to see. So I walked back down to there till and said "I think I see a winner." So we walk back up and he pulls it out of the case and hands it to me. Well the way it was placed in the cabinet you couldn't tell that on the back side right were the barrel meets the stalk that it seem's that the stock was cut and glued back together. So I said "I don't want one with a stock that looks like that." to his reply " You are talking about Russian quality control, there all like this." I shook my head in disbelief and started looking for another one seen a nice Tula 1945 and this baby was spanking great extior condition. I looked at him and said "Wait a sec. Don't run off just yet, I want that one." So he walks back up and with a jess sound that comes out of his mouth, he opens another cabinet opens the chamber and hands me the rifle. I look it over and from everything thats been said on this fourm it seems like a keeper. I ask Jermy "So is this a new rifle or what?" he quickly replies "No they have all been refurbished and checked over before shipping to us." I then try holding it up to the light to exam the bore but the lighting in there is the pits so I try to walk closer to the light and he starts flipping out so I ask him for a bore light, "NO" can I walk over by the till with it and check it "NO". So I at this point I didn't care any more and told him to wrap it up. He then hands it over to this Asian guy who put's on a glove and start's wrapping it up. I say "I am so excited this is going to be my first firearm purchase from your company. I have buaght stuff from almost every company across Canada except for you guys." He grin's and smiles. So then I ask him what with the glove he then tells me that these were packed in grease and you need to clean it before firing it and that you should also check the net for cool little tricks on how to clean it properly after firing the corrosive ammo through it. I was like "Thanx for the tip you plan on getting anymore non-corrosive ammo from norinco?" Well all of a sudden Jermy snaps over "No, not until all this check stuff is sold, then we will see if we can get some. Oh and by the way the CFC says that there is a problem transferring the firearm into your name. So here is the number and once they aprove it get them to fax it to us at this number." Then turns around takes my credit card from my hand and rings through the sale. I was so puzzled :confused: I have buaght normerous restricted weapons and never had to done any paper work when buying from a company and this is a non-restricted and I have to do paper work??? The Asian guy looks at me with a puzzled face and hands me a baggy with all the extra goodies. So I phone the number and it's the east coast CFC number. the totally wrong one then they give me the right number to phone. So when I calling this number I look at the Asian guy(sorry he never told me his name but was really helpful) and told him my cell phone battery was dying, so he placed there phone on the counter. Thats when Jermy comes out of no were takes the phone and stands infront of me with a confertaional pose. So me instead of confronting him I tell him that the CFC say's that the serial number is registered to too many people and that they can't aprove it until they get a verifier to come down and add extra numbers to it. He looks at me with a mad face and states "That the government for ya." Well I was in shock. I thought to my self what type of company is this? What am I getting myself into? All of a sudden the big red button with the words ABORT apear in my head. I tell him "I want to cancel this!". He laugh's at me and says "Nope! To late it's already in your name. This stuff happens all the time. Call us once they get a hold of you." I wanted at this point to reach over and well you get the point but I don't I grab the bag of goodies and state to these guy's looking at some SKS's in the cabinet "Good luck in trying to get through's registered in your name. I hope in my truck and can't belive what just happened to me. I can't accept this out come. I call the CFC again and get another lady and tell her "I just had the worst customer service ever and this transaction frankly is really worrying me is there any way to cancel this transfer?" She states no problem I will withdraw your application for transfer. I said to her that the man in the store told me that this could not be done. She replied that they have been having some trouble with this company and that a review will be takening place soon. I told her if she needed any info to feel free and contact me and thank-you. No less the 2 minutes later I get a phone call from Lever Arms and the Asian guy asks me to come back so he can issue me a refund. I walk in with a big grin on my face and hand him my credit card and say to Jermy "I thought that I couldn't cancel it?" He sarcastically replies "You withdrew it and any way this stuff happens all the time." I quickly respond "Well I guess there is a reason why I only shop at Italian and Reliable and never here." before I can even finish my statement he cuts me off "Well good for you. I glad." I laugh in his face and say "I normally say have a nice day but in this case you can go f^@k yourself." I turn around and there is a cop there looking at me. I tell him also "Good luck in getting that SKS cause it seem like some one is under investigation" and walk out the door never ever to return. From now on I think I will stick to reputable dealer's from this website. Although I have heard a lot of good stuff from people that have bought from Lever I am one that tried but will never ever support that high level of customer service again.
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You pulled out on a $200 transaction with an established company with a physical location, because of a CFC review?

:eek:
 
duke1 said:
Cyrillic numerals

A - 1
B - 2
Г - 3
Д - 4
Є - 5
S - 6
З - 7
И - 8
Ѳ - 9
I - 10
K - 20
Л - 30
M - 40
H - 50
Ѯ - 60
O - 70
П - 80
Ч - 90
P - 100
C - 200
T - 300
Ѹ - 400
Ф - 500
X - 600
Ѱ - 700
Ѡ - 800
Ц - 900
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There are quite a few letters in the above list that are not part of Russian alphabet, and weren't for close to 100 years (Major reform of the Russian language took place in 1918, when a bunch of letters were depreciated and some were pulled from use entirely). To me the above looks like partial Cyrillic alphabet used in old (primarily religious) books from 1860s. The above list is probably not that useful as it also misses some of the letters currently in use.

Russian alphabet has 33 letters, 6 more then English. Two of the letters are silent, and soften or harden the preceding sound. One of the letters Ё (yo) is depreciated, and commonly substituted by Е (ye) when written (but not when pronounced, and the speaker is expected to be able to recognize the case when Е is written, yet Ё should be pronounced.

A number of Russian letters do not have a single letter English analog and generally are transliterated using multiple English letters (ё - jo, ж - zh, ч - ch, ш - sh, щ - sch, э - je, ю - ju, я - ya). At the same time V and W would be transliterated as В if transcribing something phonetically from English to Russian.

So this is the current Russian alphabet:
А (ah)
Б (beh)
В (veh)
Г (geh)
Д (deh)
Е (je)
Ё (jo)
Ж (zhe)
З (ze)
И (yi, as ee in see)
Й (yij, as y in yes)
К (keh)
Л (leh)
М (meh)
Н (neh)
О (oh)
П (peh)
Р (reh)
С (seh)
Т (teh)
У (you)
Ф (ef)
Х (kha)
Ц (ceh)
Ч (che)
Ш (shah)
Щ (schah)
Ъ (hardens preceding sound, silent on its own)
Ы (yui, like i in still)
Ь (softens preceding sound, like ~ acting on n in Spanish ñ, silent on it's own)
Э (je)
Ю (ju)
Я (ya)

13 out of 33 letters have look-alike Latin analogs, and are most likely used in the CFC database:

А as A
В as B
Е as E
Ё as E
З as #3
К as K
М as M
Н as H
О as O
Р as P
С as C
Т as T
Х as X

In addition У might be transcribed as Y depending on who registers the rifle.

The rest lead to confusion.

For sure you might have an SKS with the serial number fully registered, I have one myself. But my other SKS only has one letter out of the two in the database, and the other letter is untranscribable and is dropped. Latter seems to be more common.
 
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'53 Range Results

Was first to arrive at the range this am to anxiously sight my second SKS. A '53 lamin refurb (definitely an issued).
Shooting conditions:
- open sights
- Bench rested
- Czech surplus ammo
Shot at 25 yds. without any adjustments. Shooting high so raised the front sight around 1/2 turn and after getting confidence (20 rounds) moved to 50 yds. Looking good and moved to 100 yds.
My objective was to sight the four corner targets then move to the center.
#1 Upper right - 5 rounds high then 5 round bit left
#2 Lower right - 5 shots (top) - got excited and as expected - 4 shots low and 1 out of the paper
#3 Lower left - 5 shots (with one barely nicking the paper edge)
#4 Upper left - 5 shots high then 5 shots in the ballpark
#5 Center - 5 shots almost there then last two rounds (as expected) to the left
Unlike the '52 I sighted the week before, was more comfortable with this piece, given my getting used to the rifle in general. Spent 4 hours at the range and it was a satisfying task. For $200 how can anyone resist not getting one of these Russians? Wanted to shoot more but had to spend time toying with my Norinco M213. Results were decent too (but that's another post). Next, sight the refurb '50. :sniper:
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Everytime I go to the Range now, all I see are SKS' lol ! good for you Satain on walking away from the sale. If you, the consumer who's money it is aren't happy, then walk. When it's my money I get to make the rules on how and where I spend it. Customer Service is #1, every customer, everytime.
 
Julius Caesar said:
Everytime I go to the Range now, all I see are SKS' lol ! good for you Satain on walking away from the sale. If you, the consumer who's money it is aren't happy, then walk. When it's my money I get to make the rules on how and where I spend it. Customer Service is #1, every customer, everytime.
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Yes & it sure would be nice if all these new SKS owners would clean up there shell casings when they leave the range !!!
 
#1bcshooter said:
Yes & it sure would be nice if all these new SKS owners would clean up there shell casings when they leave the range !!!
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You need to talk to the Range Warden or Club Officials about making the sweeping up of brass a Club Rule. At my range you must sweep up all your brass when finished shooting for the day. This just shows repsect to your fellow shooters and the Club in general.

Perhaps a friendly reminder to the offending parties would help also ( "exscuse me do you mind sweeping up your brass before you leave ?"), unless you are not comfortable confronting people directly of course !

Good luck and enjoy those SKS' :yingyang:
 
I was told not sweep up in front of the firing line (during a cease fire), just behind it around the benches. So a lot of my casings stayed downrange on the [del]pavement[/del] brassment?:D
 
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