S&w M&p Ar-15

[jobbass]

I can tell you that we did have an export permit for the S&W M&P AR's back when they were originally released... we never had a single inquiry for one and never ended up ordering any. That permit expired (I'd estimate 3 to 5 months ago) and we applied for a renewal... the renewal was rejected by US State Department a few months ago.

I can tell you from 1st hand direct knowledge that US State Department specifically denied export permit for commercial resale of any model of S&W M&P AR Rifle (all variations).

Simple as that. State Department is slowly tighening up and denying more and more AR export permits. As old permits expire or get used up, renewals are getting tougher and tougher to get... the problem is going to get worse not better.

Mark

Mark,

Did The State Department when they rejected your renewal, said as to why.

Thanks.

 

[Questar]

Mark,

Did The State Department when they rejected your renewal, said as to why.

Thanks.

State Department doesn't always give a reason in the sense that you are expecting... and often the reason is vague. If I remember correctly, the inferrence on that was that it was a military/police type firearm and therefore not allowed for civilian export.

One of the "concepts" behind ITAR and the State Department's review of export applications is to control what they deem to be "potential SME (Significant Military Equipment)". If that is the case then they don't want it exported to civilians for fear it will be redirected and end up in the hands of offshore enemy combatants. That's the theory anyways.

State Department is slowling classifying most AR stuff as SME and restricting it's export for civilian end users and commercial resale.

Unfortunately too many items have been shipped to Canada for Canadian end-uers, only to have those item resold and/or re-exported overseas... how many times have we read POSTS on this forum and others where someone has stated that "he doesn't care what the US says... once it's his he'll darn well do what he wants with it"? The easy solution for the US is to simply refuse the export in the first place... problem (for them) solved.

Mark

 

[greentips]

These people are interesting - Rifles are like the lowest denominator of any military equipment. If they want to control any AR, they better start telling the Lebanonese, the philippinos and the Israelis to better secure their weapons. Every AR in Canada is registered to the system....unless those got shipped to foreign militaries which just got dumped into the armouries and reported as stolen or combat loss in large number.

I hate to say that - but a Democrat government will probably be friendlier with export, even though they gonna screw their own gun owners with bans.