S&W M&P: How many police officers are in Canada?

5946

I love mine, deadly accurate. Yeah, it has a long, fairly heavy pull but what else would you want in a duty pistol? A 2 lb short pull target trigger? It's for use when the crap hits the fan, not sitting on a bench at the range trying for one-holers at 25 yards. Never yet had a FTF or any other type of stoppage.

I love the opinions from guys that have 'shot my buddies 5946 once, it's a piece of crap' or say 'they stopped making them so they must suck'. Makes me laugh. :rolleyes:

Seems to me, the model 12 Winchester isn't being made anymore- did it suck? How about the Model 88, or the 86, or how about the Savage 99?

I've had my 5946 for 7 years now, couldn't be happier with it. :stirthepot2:
 
M&P 9 m.m. or 40 cal

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I have read a lot, but not from persons who have shot a real life incident, rude, but a lot of want ta bees, with no real world experience.

Hey folks maybe I am a downer or a drop leg, but talk to a chap who has been through a real thing. Not IPSC or IDPA , but a real thing.

To any wanna be hero's with no real shot experience, hey it's not the gun being used it's the mouth peace behind the trigger.

I do not generally speak my mind here but hey , there are a lot a wanna bee heroes who do not deserve that right.

And for a very long period I will not comment on this site.
 
Too true

Canuck44 said:
Epoxy7 a good friend of mine who was posted here helped me start IDPA locally. He was very good with the pistol and could short stroke it about as well as anyone. It does take a lot of practice though and more than just a little skill. Given the amount of practice ammo the officers get annually I am surprised any of them can qualify with the gun.

In fairness to the officers I do see them out more just before they shoot their qualifiers. For some it is the only time they ever shoot the gun.

Take Care

Bob
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IY IS TOO TRUE WHAT YOU SAY, any officer who seeks outside or complimentary training is a true cop and not a want a be,
 
These threads are awsome.

I thought it was about the M&P. How did it get around to the 5946 and how ####ty/good it is, and how much some members hate/like them? There's a lot of threads about it..... Not sure why this one has to end up in that direction.

Ah well. Makes for some entertaining reading. :p
 
the s&w 4046 and 5946 are both pretty much the same frame and both were developed for cops in the 80's to slowly replace thousands of .38 special revolver equipped cops. hence the heavy long trigger to imitate the revolver trigger pull....both since have been discontinued by smith and wesson. I hate my 4046 trigger pull...if my dept would give me an option, i would opt out for the m&p .40 that the new recruits are getting.
 
bassman said:
I love mine, deadly accurate. Yeah, it has a long, fairly heavy pull but what else would you want in a duty pistol? A 2 lb short pull target trigger? It's for use when the crap hits the fan, not sitting on a bench at the range trying for one-holers at 25 yards. Never yet had a FTF or any other type of stoppage.

I love the opinions from guys that have 'shot my buddies 5946 once, it's a piece of crap' or say 'they stopped making them so they must suck'. Makes me laugh. :rolleyes:

Seems to me, the model 12 Winchester isn't being made anymore- did it suck? How about the Model 88, or the 86, or how about the Savage 99?

I've had my 5946 for 7 years now, couldn't be happier with it. :stirthepot2:
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Good on you. No, but a 5# trigger pull works better then a 14# pull and might give the average cop a chance to hit a man size target consistantly at 15 yards. And no it isn't just a one shot experience. Glad you are amused.

Some of us civilians happen to think our Police ought to be armed with something more that what is the cheapest available, and that fits some accountants budget. It is their lives that are on the line and frankly you and they deserve more.

They stopped making the gun because it was a poor seller in the police market. (Price and performance). A pistol from Austria moved in and dominated department acquisitions. I guess all the US Departments weren't as smart as some of our gun toting police departments up here.

"It's for use when the crap hits the fan, not sitting on a bench at the range trying for one-holers at 25 yards. Never yet had a FTF or any other type of stoppage."

When was the last time you attened an IPSC or IDPA match? You obviously have missed where pistol shooting has gone to in the last 25 years or so. If the gun was as good as you suggest you would see them dominating at matches, you don't and they aren't. FYI IPSC is the one sport that brings out the worst in a pistol and the best. There are competitors on this board who regularly put 10K+ rounds down range each year. If you are with the RCMP you get 50 per year to practice with.....I certainly do hope you are ready for the one time in your career you might need to use your gun to protect your life.

Glad you like your pistol.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Good on you. No, but a 5# trigger pull works better then a 14# pull and might give the average cop a chance to hit a man size target consistantly at 15 yards. And no it isn't just a one shot experience. Glad you are amused.

Some of us civilians happen to think our Police ought to be armed with something more that what is the cheapest available, and that fits some accountants budget. It is their lives that are on the line and frankly you and they deserve more.

They stopped making the gun because it was a poor seller in the police market. (Price and performance). A pistol from Austria moved in and dominated department acquisitions. I guess all the US Departments weren't as smart as some of our gun toting police departments up here.

"It's for use when the crap hits the fan, not sitting on a bench at the range trying for one-holers at 25 yards. Never yet had a FTF or any other type of stoppage."

When was the last time you attened an IPSC or IDPA match? You obviously have missed where pistol shooting has gone to in the last 25 years or so. If the gun was as good as you suggest you would see them dominating at matches, you don't and they aren't. FYI IPSC is the one sport that brings out the worst in a pistol and the best. There are competitors on this board who regularly put 10K+ rounds down range each year. If you are with the RCMP you get 50 per year to practice with.....I certainly do hope you are ready for the one time in your career you might need to use your gun to protect your life.

Glad you like your pistol.

Take Care

Bob
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where to begin...

My pistol has an average pull weight of just over 9 lbs, smooth as can be. Perfect for LE duties, not too light for adrenaline charged situations where your thoughts may stray from 'trigger finger' control yet light and smooth enough that it is easily doable to hit a 'man size' target at 15 yards consistently. If a mountie can't hit said 'man size target' consistently at your predetermined range of 15 yards, they won't pass annuals and will be forced into 'learning assistance' which will consist of extra practice, extra ammo and training from a BFI. A minimum score of 200 out of 250 must be attained on our course of fire annually in order to stay on active duty. Part of this course of fire takes place with targets set up at 25 yards, farther than your 15 yards. This standard must also be met in order to graduate from the training depot.

The RCMP did not purchase 25,000 or so 5946's for IPSC or IDPA matches. They purchased them for duty pistols for our membership. They were put through gruelling testing for function, accuracy and durability. I didn't once say anything about this pistol being ideal for competition shooting, I said it is ideal as a duty pistol. It was designed as a duty pistol to be used as such, not for competitive shooting 'games' and 10,000 rounds per year downrange.

We are given 50 rounds for practice, that is accurate. Keep in mind though that a large number of members of the RCMP practice more than the bare minimum. We have the ability to purchase practice ammo at ridiculously cheap prices through our stores/supplies chain. Also, at every posting I've been at, detachment or unit commanders have supported extra practice by supplying extra 9mm and .308 ammo for free out of their unit budgets.

If you personally have enough experience with the 5946 and believe that it's 'crap', fill your boots. Don't buy one, don't shoot one. I don't care. I have 7 years of experience with mine and have fired well over 5000 rounds with it and I like it a lot. No, it's not a competition grade pistol, but for what it is meant to do, it does it well.

If you and others feel so strongly that the Mounties need better pistols, I encourage you to lobby your local MP as well as members of the Treasury Board and the Prime Minister on our behalf. I would love to play around with a new M&P- ask for .40 cal would ya! ;)
 
bassman said:
where to begin...

If you and others feel so strongly that the Mounties need better pistols, I encourage you to lobby your local MP as well as members of the Treasury Board and the Prime Minister on our behalf. I would love to play around with a new M&P- ask for .40 cal would ya! ;)
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Wrote my MP already. Think it is BS that you have what you have and am no more impressed with the amount of practice ammo you guys get either. As for your situation, if your pistol is only 8 lbs you are lucky. Some of the ones I have shot have been well over 10#'s with no significant feel for trigger break.

IPSC Production guns are limited to minimum 5# triggers and most IDPA Stock Service Pistols aren't much less than that. FYI Glocks won all three pistol divisions at the US IDPA Nationals last year, albeit the Glocks were the 5" model I believe.

Good luck on getting .40cal approved. The Feds are tied to the 9MM due to military considerations. You might be better off hopping for Sigs to be approved for General use, although for most officers the M&P might be a better choice as those with smaller hands can opt for the small backstrap.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

bob
 
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