S&W M&P: How many police officers are in Canada?

Sir Jake said:
I know one cop in my town that has a mp9, I noticed it when he came to my door one day. Told him I had the same one upstairs said he liked it a lot.
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shootemup said:
Sir Jake, unless he's from another agency, the police in Chilliwack carry the S&W 5946, not the M&P
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What's your town? Is it Chilliwack? And what type of cop? I work in the courthouses/legal system (I am a lawyer) and I see different things now and then. It's true what people say, for the most part: GLOCK 22, S&W 5946, SIG P226DAK, but I absolutely can confirm that you do see some different stuff now and then if you keep your eyes peeled. On Monday of this week at the Abbotsford courthouse I saw a female plain-clothes officer with a "baby" GLOCK with a Hogue slip-on grip. I have no idea if it was a 27 (my guess) or what. She had it in a regular outside-the-waistband kydex type holster, and her jacket was off (super hot here this week), so you could plainly see what it was. I am assuming she was with the Abby P.D. I was not familiar with her personally.

So my point is, the regulations under the Police Act allow Chief Constables to issue different types of firearms in some circumstances, and you do see it once in awhile.

The section is 3(3) of these regs:
http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/police/r203_98.htm

This act only applies to police constituted under B.C. law (not federal/RCMP)
 
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jacky said:
Thats the one I have seen around here as well. They are prohib if I am correct but man would I like one.
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If you are referring to the 5946 they are a POS for a pistol. Heavy with a looong heavy trgger pull. The local RCMP would be more than happy to turn them into boat anchors.

Take Care

Bob
 
He was just a young rcmp, I never seen the full gun but from the handle it looked just like my mp9. When I asked he said it was then again he might have been one of those cops that don't know much about guns...

I got mine for practice, trying to get some type of gov job (rcmp, boarder guard, or with in the prisons) Starting out with the military first though.
 
Peel is issuing the M&P .40 to all new officers, they do not have enough of the old S&W steel frame .40's. Halton region is now in the process of dumping their old 96D's. York, Toronto, Durham are all Glock users. Peel Tac uses HK Mk.23's in .45 (the only service in ontario) the most exotic OPP carry gun is the sig p226 X5, this is used by a few of the dog handlers. I have never seen any HK pistols on OPP guys.
 
mark 23 used by OPP????

Just wondering - was that HK Mark 23 that the OPP officer was sporting a standard issue sidearm? Doubt that very much - first, Mark 23 is fairly expensive to arm all officers and secondly, it's HUGE! Although it probably is one of the best production semis available on the market today - at least, in my opinion.

So, the guy was probably carrying his own gun, not the department's standard issue. Didn't know they can do that. Was he uniformed?
 
The only non Sig 229 sidearm that the OPP use, is the P226 X5, for some of the dog handlers, where one handed shooting is needed
 
Canuck44 said:
If you are referring to the 5946 they are a POS for a pistol. Heavy with a looong heavy trgger pull. The local RCMP would be more than happy to turn them into boat anchors.

Take Care

Bob
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Really.....man that is the first I have heard of that. In fact the one officer I talked to said it fit his hand so well the RCMP would have to rip it from his hand before be would exchange it....maybe he doesn't shoot much ???
 
Maybe he was being sarcastic. I have shot them and they really are junk. Heavy to carry and I have to tell you the trigger pull is just awful. S&W doesn't even make them any more though I have heard they will do runs of the pistols for the RCMP . Just another example of dumb government purchasing. Look at the crap the Border Guards got. I here from my friends in Chilliwack some of their people are having a hard time qualifying with the guns. Heavy trigger pulls seems to be the most common complaint.

Take Care

Bob
 
Lots of service pistols suck until they're used for a while, my M&P had a nasty trigger until it had a few thousand cycles on it, now everyone who shoots it comments on how nice the trigger feels. With the 5946 being all steel and given the basics of the design, I think it would take longer to smooth out, but it will eventually smooth out. If I was issued a pistol that had a debilitating trigger pull, I'd get it sent in for work (through the manufacturers system and after notifying the hierarchy).
 
Ian, the trigger pull is smooth on the 5946, it is just long and heavy. The pull feels like you are squezing a tennis ball and at some point the gun goes off. Very little "break" if you will. There is no secret here. The government will continue to go cheap, it would cost a few million in training hours to convert to another pistol. Providing the RCMP with a decent pistol would mean some beaureaucrat would have to admit we arm them for a reason and not just for something to complete the "look".

Take Care

Bob
 
That’s odd, we were out to the range last Wednesday evening and our club president ( Dragoon here on CGN) shot an Expert score (112.90 down 45) in SSP in the IDPA Classifier with a stock S&W 5906 which is virtually identical to the RCMP issue pistol (5906 is TDA vice 5946 which is DAO).
 
Also the top Duty Pistol score in Canadian PPC (I think that still stands) was shot with a 5946, so the trigger can't hurt accuracy too badly. Duty Pistol being shot from 3-25 yards.

PS, we don't arm them for a reason, because as every good Liberal Bureaucrat knows No One Needs A Firearm (the fifth commandment of the Trudeau Liberal) - they have guns to act as a deterrent for those who refuse to be pacified. Now the TASER, that's a weapon the Liberal can get behind, non-lethal, non-marking and leaves a big psychological impression. Can be used equally on homeless people and taxpayers too, and most of the time there's not even a mark to get sued over. Great control device for the Liberal apparachik in you. Every Party member should have one.
 
Onagoth said:
Not sure if your interested in this, but I believe brinks just dropped their 38's for the M&P40. I have spoken to 2 employees who have confirmed this.
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Maybe in Ontario.
Unless sumping changed recently,
in BC and other provinces, their Attorney Generals decide
what the armored car companies carry.




dieselkevb said:
I was talking to a friend OPP , He uses a HK mark 23 ..
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Maybe he uses that in his personal life as a recreational shooter.
Unless he is in some ERT, SW or similar,
I don't see how provincial police uses .45 APC.
 
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peel regional carries the s&w 4046 in 40 cal in majority, has a small number of m&p 40's for new recruits. I think that most police forces will switch over to the m&p due to the very competetive price (same) and the three different grips available. It prevents the force from getting other guns for officers with very small hands.
 
Maybe he uses that in his personal life as a recreational shooter.
Unless he is in some ERT, SW or similar,
I don't see how provincial police uses .45 APC.[/QUOTE]

agreed....PRP tac carries HK USP variants in .45 acp, never seen a front line cop in canada carry any bigger than .40 cal
 
Yes, thank you ;)
Well, for those who didn't know,
by law, the service pistol of RCMP is limited to 9mil
and most of the provincials to .40
(actualy I'm surprised there are so many people here
who didn't know that).
 
Jim S said:
That’s odd, we were out to the range last Wednesday evening and our club president ( Dragoon here on CGN) shot an Expert score (112.90 down 45) in SSP in the IDPA Classifier with a stock S&W 5906 which is virtually identical to the RCMP issue pistol (5906 is TDA vice 5946 which is DAO).
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I didn't say a shooter can't shoot with the pistol, nor did I say it is inaccurate. It is just a POS for a duty gun. It was so popular S&W quit making it years ago. Jim if you ever are on the range when the mounties show up, offer then to try your gun and I am sure they will reciprocate. You will appreciate what you have a lot more once you try their duty pistol.

The RCMP ERT teams are supposed to be getting a Sig to use. That will be a huge step up. As Ian indicated in his post the Libs within government really don't buy the guns for the officers with the thought they might actually, heavon for bid, have to use one.

Take Care

Bob
 
The trigger on the 5946 is long and heavy. But.... mine seems to be pretty accurate, even at 50 yards, points nicely and I've only ever had two FTF both of which were ammo issues.

It's grown on me. I like mine now.
 
Epoxy7 a good friend of mine who was posted here helped me start IDPA locally. He was very good with the pistol and could short stroke it about as well as anyone. It does take a lot of practice though and more than just a little skill. Given the amount of practice ammo the officers get annually I am surprised any of them can qualify with the gun.

In fairness to the officers I do see them out more just before they shoot their qualifiers. For some it is the only time they ever shoot the gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
I loved going out to the range when the police/guards are there. A few times I've been there they let me have a little fun with their rifles.

Everyone that has tried my mp9 fell in love with it. :)
 
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