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Recently acquired this SA German Parade dagger.
I don't know much about these and am looking for some info on it as well as trying to establish a market value. I have been trying to research this on the internet with limited success. The serial number is kinda intriguing and I have heard that the Germans were meticulous for keeping war records and that it may be possible to be able to trace who this dagger was actually issued too. Most examples I have seen on the net are not serialized.......does that make this particular one special?

Enjoy the pictures......your input would greatly be appreciated.

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Well, it's far from a pristine/excellent example, with worn grip scales, dented scabbard, and a sharpened blade (any sharpening is a problem, let alone ugly sharpening).

After a fairly cursory search of Canadian retailers, the only example I found was a very nice one with an asking price of $950.
 
There are a few forums that specialize in these daggers if you want detailed information.
It's in rough shape, and SA daggers are not rare so it's not worth a ton. The serial number on the guard is really cool. The black scabbard means it's an NSKK dagger; the motorized branch of the SA.

Personally I'd wager the value around $300 on the collector to collector market. The grinder marks on the blade kill it unfortunately.
 
Go to www.germandaggers.com and all your questions can be answered.They will need a clear pic of the makers mark on the blade and of the serial number and gau markings on the cross guard.Condition of the blade is 90% of the value on any edged weapon as most other parts can be replaced.It looks like an honest worn example that I would add to my collection.The extra serial numbers on cross guard could add value,I never seen that before let us know what you find out.
 
Yeah the blade is not the best example!! It's a shame.

The number on the crossguard (No 15/ 13728) is what intrigues me though. I have not seen one so marked in the examples I've seen on the net so far. I'm going to keep digging and I'll post what I find out. Hopefully Vern owner of germandaggers .com the website in the above post will help me out....thanks dts369 for passing that info along to me.
 
If you replace original parts you'll have what's known as a 'parts dagger'. There was hand fitting involved in making these and if you mix and match it'll show. It won't be worth jack on the collector market unless you do a -really- good job of it and lie about the blade to whoever buys it from you.
At least right now it's a honest dagger with some historic value.
 
I received a email reply from Vern over at germandaggers.com...……………………..I was able to learn some interesting information about the dagger. I'm still looking for an answer as to why most were not serialized at all, a few were serialized with just a single number and then this one with the "No 15/ 13728". I will post that information when I find that out, in the meantime Vern wrote....

It's a nice early E.Pack dagger. The dagger was issued to the SA
15th Strum in the Gau of Nordmark, and is a ground Rohm. Unlike the
SS, there are no existing membership lists for the SA so it can't be
identified to an individual. At some point, the individual transferred
to the NSKK and painted the scabbard black. Currently, the lower
crossguard is on backwards as regulations required the Gau mark to be
stamped on the reverse of the lower crossguard, but it could have been
reversed when the inscription was removed. The blade has been
sharpened and has grind marks on both sides which will lower the
value, as will the dents to the scabbard and lower scabbard fitting.

A Pack ground Rohm in excellent condition sells in the $850-950
range. The member number is a rare and desirable feature, but I
suspect the condition of the blade and scabbard will offset most of
the extra value. You may want to check with Paul Hogle at Lakeside
Traders, but I would place a value of around $1000 on the dagger. Take
care,

Vern
 
Cool, I couldn't tell from the pictures it's a ground Rohm. The makers mark seems like it's in the wrong place for that, but Vern knows a lot more then I do.
I can vouch that Paul from Lakeside Trader (in Ontario) is a stand up guy to do business with.
 
Vern's latest email to me answering my question in Post#9 at top of page.
Thanks Vern for your expertise and prompt replies.

Enjoy the new info, I did...……………………………………….


For accountability purposes, Rohm inscription daggers were to be stamped with the owner's id number when it was awarded. His party records would have a document that showed he was authorized to carry the inscribed dagger. This would keep a member from carrying an inscribed dagger he had not been awarded. While about half of the SS Rohm daggers were stamped, the SA pretty much ignored the order, so having the member number on the dagger is unusual. On your dagger, the owner was SA member 13,728. His unit was Standarte 15, located in the Gau of Nordmark. Sorry, I said Strum before but I was thinking of the NSKK. "Nm" is an SA code not an NSKK code, so the NSKK association was later. Take care,




Vern
 
350 Mag said:
No offence but I find it disgusting that ANYONE covets/collects Nazi War Momentos, Trophys, etc.

To each their own.
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It's a piece of history, it was more than likely brought over here as a trophy after the defeat of the nazi's. Owning these things has absolutely nothing to with glorifying fascism.
 
.223Rem said:
It's a piece of history, it was more than likely brought over here as a trophy after the defeat of the nazi's. Owning these things has absolutely nothing to with glorifying fascism.
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Not trying to rain on anyone's parade....just not a collector and certainly wouldn't collect anything Nazi....the idea of people making profits dealing in Nazi Regime Memoribilia is disturbing.
 
Thanks for the unsolicited opinion. Why post on the thread if its not your interest other than to be a d*ck? You must be a hoot at parties.....
350 Mag said:
Not trying to rain on anyone's parade....just not a collector and certainly wouldn't collect anything Nazi....the idea of people making profits dealing in Nazi Regime Memoribilia is disturbing.
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350 Mag said:
Not trying to rain on anyone's parade....just not a collector and certainly wouldn't collect anything Nazi....the idea of people making profits dealing in Nazi Regime Memoribilia is disturbing.
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you have never flown on a jet plane or helicopter the evil Nazis invented those

they invented rockets and missiles

many modern medical procedures are based on what the Nazis learned with their experiments

its history most of us don't agree with the Nazis collecting the stuff is just like collecting anything else
 
350 Mag said:
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No offence but I find it disgusting that ANYONE covets/collects Nazi War Momentos, Trophys, etc.

To each their own.
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Ladies and Gentleman...put your hands together forrrrrr 1st dumbass comment of 2020.
 
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350 Mag said:
No offence but I find it disgusting that ANYONE covets/collects Nazi War Momentos, Trophys, etc.

To each their own.
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It's a free country and you are entitled to your own opinion.

Please do not try to hijack my thread though, if you feel the need to voice your opinion start your own. I'm trying to learn something about a historical artifact. It's a inanimate object just like the firearms I suppose you own. The spirit of your argument suggest's otherwise though. Our current federal gov't uses the same argument to try and sell it's reasons for banning assault rifles and handguns, while inanimate objects they are viewed as purely evil with no real purpose other than killing . There are those out there that think your firearms are merely tools of death as well and I fail to understand why you would want to be in possession of such items considering your logic that somehow because my dagger is associated with the Nazis that I should not own, collect or profit from such an item.
The arguments you use are the very arguments that have and are continuing to rob this country of it's very freedoms, there are laws now in place that eradicate or severely limit critical thinking because somebody might find your thoughts or beliefs offensive.
Careful what you wish for 350 Mag!!!
 
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