If you are going to hunt, wounded game is going to happen. Anybody who says different is either kidding themselves or simply arrogant. Of course, we should all attempt to minimize these incidents by having a properly sighted in gun and only taking responsible shots. It doesn't matter if it's a drive, still hunting, stand or blind. This happens in all types of hunting in all provinces. It's a real shame though, that is a beautiful buck. If this is really happening as much as you say it is on private property, I'm surprised you haven't called it in. An irresponsible hunter trespassing on my property wounding game...I wouldn't hesitate to call the MNR.
Sad find today in the woods.
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Something does not add up there. If this deer was shot where you say ( i agree that is raven work) and then ran where is the blood that would have leaked out? way too clean on the back legs. Not to mention the intestines that usually leak out when a deer who is gut shot runs. Aint any rotting intestine bloating goin on there either.
Not many gut shot deer lay themselves out pretty in the middle of a clearing, usually you'll find em curled up somewhere.
Did you feel all the bones for breaks (car accident) ? Flip him over to see what is on the other side? Check his teeth?
The only thing you can be sure about is that whatever killed that buck did it's work with in a day of you coming along.
Casting about accusations and slandering other hunters with no cause just aint cool.
BTW ALL deer (except those lucky enough to get shot or hit by an 18 wheeler) die in pain. Gut shot or not that beautiful animal was destined to spend it's last minutes, hours, weeks or months is some serious discomfort/agony. Just because you had an emotional reaction does not make it significant. If you hunt then someday (no matter how much you practice, how much restraint and care you show and how darn good you are) you will wound and an animal and it will suffer if you can't cope with that thought best stop shooting at them.
Not many gut shot deer lay themselves out pretty in the middle of a clearing, usually you'll find em curled up somewhere.
Did you feel all the bones for breaks (car accident) ? Flip him over to see what is on the other side? Check his teeth?
The only thing you can be sure about is that whatever killed that buck did it's work with in a day of you coming along.
Casting about accusations and slandering other hunters with no cause just aint cool.
BTW ALL deer (except those lucky enough to get shot or hit by an 18 wheeler) die in pain. Gut shot or not that beautiful animal was destined to spend it's last minutes, hours, weeks or months is some serious discomfort/agony. Just because you had an emotional reaction does not make it significant. If you hunt then someday (no matter how much you practice, how much restraint and care you show and how darn good you are) you will wound and an animal and it will suffer if you can't cope with that thought best stop shooting at them.
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Talking about shots at running deer ...
I used to work for a Swedish company, and met a fellow from head office who was an avid hunter.
Apparently if you want to hunt with a centrefire rifle for moose, you need to pass a periodic target qualification test. Including a moving target - like the Olympic running boar competition.
Of course, guys train for the test.
Shooting at a moving target that is any distance away, without knowing its speed and required lead, is indeed a "hail mary" approach.
I wonder how often guys try it, and how much wounded game is the result.
I used to work for a Swedish company, and met a fellow from head office who was an avid hunter.
Apparently if you want to hunt with a centrefire rifle for moose, you need to pass a periodic target qualification test. Including a moving target - like the Olympic running boar competition.
Of course, guys train for the test.
Shooting at a moving target that is any distance away, without knowing its speed and required lead, is indeed a "hail mary" approach.
I wonder how often guys try it, and how much wounded game is the result.
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Hard to tell from that picture if that is a gunshot wound? As the one fellow said it looks like it could also be from Ravens picking it open. There is a lot of hair lying around the animal that was pulled out by them. It is unfortunate to lose any game animal but I won't go off on a rant here on the board myself as I am not there to see the deer up close and see what the wound looks like.
I found a dead deer last weekend that I picked up for my coyote bait pile and it never had a mark on it of any kind nor any broken bones. I assumed it was road killed because it was laying on the far side of some guard rails and you could see where it had landed on it's side in the snowbank after appearing to have been airborn? But like I say, wasn't a mark on it. Who knows it may have been going flat out running across the highway and glanced off a bumper of a transport or something or it may have been dumped there by someone? Who knows for sure without witnessing it happen?
Either way it is a shame to see one go to waste like the one you found but I wouldn't assume it is any person(s) in particular if it was a poor shot that led to it's demise without knowing for sure who fired the shot. A wounde animal can travel a long ways and often live a long time before going down. If that small wound is a gun shot wound it doesn't have the look of a hit that would lead to a short time or distance death. Just my .02 worth.
I found a dead deer last weekend that I picked up for my coyote bait pile and it never had a mark on it of any kind nor any broken bones. I assumed it was road killed because it was laying on the far side of some guard rails and you could see where it had landed on it's side in the snowbank after appearing to have been airborn? But like I say, wasn't a mark on it. Who knows it may have been going flat out running across the highway and glanced off a bumper of a transport or something or it may have been dumped there by someone? Who knows for sure without witnessing it happen?
Either way it is a shame to see one go to waste like the one you found but I wouldn't assume it is any person(s) in particular if it was a poor shot that led to it's demise without knowing for sure who fired the shot. A wounde animal can travel a long ways and often live a long time before going down. If that small wound is a gun shot wound it doesn't have the look of a hit that would lead to a short time or distance death. Just my .02 worth.
I'm with you on this one DD. We've got a little "CSI" thing going here.
As I stated earlier the O.P. was there and I wasn't...but the pic provided sure doesn't add-up for me.
This deer was definitely shot. There was a distinct small entry wound & corresponding larger exit wound. The round passed through the interior walls of the abdomen & perforated the intestines. Deer died from peritonitis! I sliced the belly open & looked inside. Not a pretty sight! Not a nice way to die!
That still doesn't add up to the guys doing deer drives across the road...Poachers????Road hunter????? Could be any number of things..Can't lay blame unless you, yourself seen it happen. Anything else is speculation.
Add to that, a deer with that wound could go for miles before expiring...
I've shot a lot of deer on drives, with and without dogs. The biggest problem is guys that don't even aim, they point and shoot like they're hunting ducks...These chuckle heads are the same idiots, whether they're doing drives or not. Then if they find the deer 3 days later, they'll cut the antlers off and hang them on the wall like its something to be proud of...
True. The deer could have traveled quite a ways. Still a sad waste.
nothing edible is a waste in the animal kingdom. As to the poster who says there is as many deer wounded in Ontario as harvested, I have to wonder what that might be based on.
Our gang shot six deer, one was wounded and never found. Neighbouring gangs shot a total of seven deer that I know of and wounded none. So out of thirteen deer shot there was one not recovered, which is too many as far as I am concerned but a far cry from what I've been reading here.
Our gang shot six deer, one was wounded and never found. Neighbouring gangs shot a total of seven deer that I know of and wounded none. So out of thirteen deer shot there was one not recovered, which is too many as far as I am concerned but a far cry from what I've been reading here.
And by the sounds of it, I would consider you and your gang responsible. You probably sight your guns, shoot a bit, know your game, know your land, do it right. Am I correct???
But there are many "if its brown it's down" and "spray and pray" gangs out there. I've seen guys not even go look for blood after ripping off 3 shots at a running deer. "The deer kept going so I must have missed"
Just so a few don't get there panties in a knot. A true waste is seeing vehicles hit by deer or any game for that matter, and damaging vehicles. This could be corrected by the province allowing more tags in strategic areas.
Also this deer could have been hit, tracked and not found. IT IS a reality of Hunting. IT IS NOT shooting targets, or going to the grocery store that I can not stress enough to some thick people. I don't know of any hunter that isn't sick when game is wounded, but it happens people.
Also this deer could have been hit, tracked and not found. IT IS a reality of Hunting. IT IS NOT shooting targets, or going to the grocery store that I can not stress enough to some thick people. I don't know of any hunter that isn't sick when game is wounded, but it happens people.
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I know ppl that shoot at deer from 500+ yards, running, whatever(only bucks though) and if it doesnt drop or there is no blood they leave it. By no blood I mean a pool of blood. Their checking for blood is driving to where they think they shot and looking out the window for 10 seconds. I no longer talk to these ppl.
I believe it but can honestly say I have never hunted with anyone like that. Perhaps because we have hunted the same area for fifty years and rarely see other hunters. Anyone who would shoot at an animal and not even look for blood is someone I don't want to know.
I agree, we had a tough time with 2 different deer this year both shot out of stands at about 50 yds. The buck my son shot left lots of blood but made it to a swamp and although we searched for several hours we were unable to locate him. Front shoulder shot with a muzzleloader you'd have thought he would have been down, but we saw him a week later hobbling around looking for does. My 15 year old nephew also shot a big doe with the 30/06 at around 50 yds. There was no blood for the first 20 + yds. and then she started bleeding. Recovered her 75 yds. later and upon skinning found that the bullet had grazed the top of the heart and busted out two ribs. Without snow we might not have found this deer. Sometimes bad stuff happens to good hunters. Then the birds and other animals have a feast. Nothing gets wasted in nature. You feel bad when you lose an animal , but know with certainty that the animal will sustain other life. A lost animal in the woods goes back into the ecosystem.
This is starting to sound like a Disney movie about the big bad hunter........Nature [The Ravens] were getting a free meal as this is what they were designed to do.Nothing in nature is wasted just because a human wasn't the benifactor in this case.He messed up his opportunity so those next in line win...........simple really.........Harold
Good one...I can picture it now, my 29lb beagle driving heards of deer into a frenzy
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