Sad find today in the woods.

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There are things that are worse than wounding/losing an animal; if we hunt long enough, and shoot enough game, it will happen to us.

My friends found two bull moose shot and left to rot this year. In the area we hunt there is a draw for big bulls - in the general open season you can only shoot an immature bull, which means it has to have no more than two tines on one antler. The two bulls shot and left to rot - in the middle of cut-blocks - were young bulls that had more than two points on one side. Whoever shot them realized what they had done and just left the carcasses there. Disgusting and a disgrace.
 
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There are things that are worse than wounding/losing an animal; if we hunt long enough, and shoot enough game, it will happen to us.

My friends found two bull moose shot and left to rot this year. In the area we hunt there is a draw for big bulls - in the general open season you can only shoot an immature bull, which means it has to have no more than two tines on one antler. The two bulls shot and left to rot - in the middle of cut-blocks - were young bulls that had more than two points on one side. Whoever shot them realized what they had done and just left the carcasses there. Disgusting and a disgrace.
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WHile I agree with you I also feel the ministry makes moose hunting regulations very difficult.... and with heavy potential fines they really set the stage for bad hunters to do this kind of stuff... I didn't see the bulls but was it possible the hunters may have mistaken them and not seen the extra tines?
 
"WHile I agree with you I also feel the ministry makes moose hunting regulations very difficult.... and with heavy potential fines they really set the stage for bad hunters to do this kind of stuff... I didn't see the bulls but was it possible the hunters may have mistaken them and not seen the extra tines?"
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This is exactly what happens.
The young bull slowly moving through the brush, soon out of sight.
Very hard to distinguish whether legal, or not. "I think it is legal, bang."
This immature rule just puts too much pressure on the hunter.
 
H4831 said:
"WHile I agree with you I also feel the ministry makes moose hunting regulations very difficult.... and with heavy potential fines they really set the stage for bad hunters to do this kind of stuff... I didn't see the bulls but was it possible the hunters may have mistaken them and not seen the extra tines?"
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This is exactly what happens.
The young bull slowly moving through the brush, soon out of sight.
Very hard to distinguish whether legal, or not. "I think it is legal, bang."
This immature rule just puts too much pressure on the hunter.
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It's happened to me...except I didn't shoot because I wasn't 100% sure. I'd rather regret the shot I didn't take than the one I did.
 
Superbrad said:
Omg... Milo was a tard who got lucky... You need to look up his story and read it... I am not against drives or anything but milo is the hail mary poster boy...
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Seemed like a nice guy when I talked with him?...:confused:

I should also mention that we may all be tards who get lucky once in a while for some reason.
 
Yeah...well... Its all well and good to be a tard as long ass you don't do it at an animals expense... The deer in op's post could easily have been the hanson buck... Its just a shame... Glad for milo and his deer he got lucky... Ignorance is bliss I guess...
 
Superbrad said:
Omg... Milo was a tard who got lucky... You need to look up his story and read it... I am not against drives or anything but milo is the hail mary poster boy...
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Spoken like someone who has never met the man. I've met a number of people who knew (know) Milo and his family long before he was famous, not one of them has every made a disparaging remark about the man. Jealously will make people do and say things unimaginable so don't believe everything you read on the inter-web.
 
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Spoken like someone who has never met the man. I've met a number of people who knew (know) Milo and his family long before he was famous, not one of them has every made a disparaging remark about the man. Jealously will make people do and say things unimaginable so don't believe everything you read on the inter-web.
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Funny how every time some one puts a tag on a big deer the peanut gallery begins to chirp.If you did a little research I'm sure those that beak off the most tend to eat a lot of bologna rather than deer sausage . Like the fellow at the bar that brags about all the ### he gets at home but on closer inspection he has callouses on his right hand.
 
powdergun said:
Funny how every time some one puts a tag on a big deer the peanut gallery begins to chirp.If you did a little research I'm sure those that beak off the most tend to eat a lot of bologna rather than deer sausage . Like the fellow at the bar that brags about all the ### he gets at home but on closer inspection he has callouses on his right hand.
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I get my deer every year.... and I put in the effort to do so.... before you beak off maybe you should read Milo's story in his own words instead of putting the guy up on a pedestal like he is chuck adams or something.... here... enlighten yourself...

http://www.kingsoutdoorworld.com/stories/hanson_story.htm
 
disagree to disagree

Superbrad said:
I have done both methods and I disagree... takes much more smarts to scout the woods for sign, establish patterns... learn about travel routes in your area etc...

During hunting pressure, trophy deer can be found in areas they themselves have never been before.... just due to being pushed there.... much easier to happen across a trophy in driven areas... just ask Milo Hansen....

Is it a good method?.. sure... does it require greater intelligence?.... nope
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Sounds like you must live in a different place than you hunt.
 
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I spend MONTHS scouting to find frequent tracks, not to mention rubs, scrapes, beds etc ... not just the tracks they make during hunting season when they are pushed...

Not criticizing the fact that pushing bush well requires on the spot scouting, but it is hardly the same amount of research and scouting time required for still hunting.... JMOP
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Your either inexperienced or naive.
 
gtrussell said:
I did not think there was a hale Marry with a model 88.
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Ummmm.... thanks for your 3 posts in a row.... care to tell me why one guy that uses 9 shots to get a deer as well as all of the shots spent by his hunting party should be considered skill as he has a model 88?.....confused.. sorry... milo was a hack who got lucky....
 
Superbrad said:
I get my deer every year.... and I put in the effort to do so.... before you beak off maybe you should read Milo's story in his own words instead of putting the guy up on a pedestal like he is chuck adams or something.... here... enlighten yourself...

http://www.kingsoutdoorworld.com/stories/hanson_story.htm
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The man and his friends ,scouted the deer, made a plan, tracked and made a good push and then dropped the deer. Perhaps it was not one of those situations out of TV shows with the ominous music and the perfect shot by the great white hunter but it was an honest hunt and the man deserves a bit of respect.

We may all proclaim to be the most perfect of hunters and shooters with the most perfect skill and laser beam like aim but the proof of the hunter is whats in the freezer and hanging on the wall. I know whats on Milo's wall and BTW the next year he got another awesome buck . So yeah I think I'll beak off a bit to any one that puts down an honest hunter who earned his deer.
 
powdergun said:
The man and his friends ,scouted the deer, made a plan, tracked and made a good push and then dropped the deer. Perhaps it was not one of those situations out of TV shows with the ominous music and the perfect shot by the great white hunter but it was an honest hunt and the man deserves a bit of respect.

We may all proclaim to be the most perfect of hunters and shooters with the most perfect skill and laser beam like aim but the proof of the hunter is whats in the freezer and hanging on the wall. I know whats on Milo's wall and BTW the next year he got another awesome buck . So yeah I think I'll beak off a bit to any one that puts down an honest hunter who earned his deer.
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No they didn't.... a bus driver originally spotted it and it became local legend.... he and his huntong party took tons of low percentage shots.... milo himself took 9... that buck could have easily gotten away wounded and died..... I dont look down my nose at drive hunters.... but take your shots when you have a good chance at your game and not wounding them.... milo got lucky....
 
and with heavy potential fines they really set the stage for bad hunters to do this kind of stuff.
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Yes if you leave the animal to rot you are gonna be in big doodoo. If however you man up and do the right thing and go tell the CO what happened you will be treated in keeping with the circumstance.

If the investigator determines that your actions were reasonable and that every effort was made to maintain compliance then your 'punishment' will be fitting. If you try and get away with a mistake then you are gonna be wandering around walmart with out a hunter # and considerably lighter in the wallet.

In B.C 7 rams where confiscated this year for being under size last I heard no charges were laid due to the circumstances. Had any of these hunters attempted to hide the evidence of their mistake I have no doubt hail and brimstone would have descended on them in quantities of epic proportion.

Bottom line is if you make an error do not compound it. Care for the meat as you would any other harvest and make an immediate report to the Conservation Officer Service. Better to go to them then for them to come to you.
 
Of coarse all persons on discussion forums are crack shots at bounding deer though.
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you do realize that 'pushing' deer is not about having them flee in panic. I am new to it myself but have come to understand that it is a process of moving the deer/moose/elk not having it hit the panic button. I am willing to bet that half (or some number of)the animals killed by non pushers are animals that were in the process of responding to (being pushed by) another hunter. Deer start walking away from 'threats' at remarkable distances (except the ones that let you walk past at 10 yrds).

Odd that shooting a ruff grouse on the wing after a dog pushes it is the highest form of ethical hunting (compared to shooting the same grouse standing dead still at a tree trunk) while shooting a deer walking away from your hunting partner is called into question ethically.

Odd bunch we hunters.
 
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