Savage 10 fcp-Sr or Rem 700 R5

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Educate me on what I should get.

My friends shoot 300-600 yards once a week when the snow isn't around. I wan't to get some hardware that will let me join the club with out having to mortage the house. Santa is coming soon.

I like 308 because I reload for it already. Do you use better dies or will normal 308 dies make a nice match grade round?

I'm not ready to pick a scope.

Thanks and be patient with a noob
 
The savage has a faster twist rate (1:10) then the remington (1:11.25) so it can handle heavier bullets. The savage has a DBM versus the 5r's standard floorplate, which is better depends on your preference. The savage has the accutrigger and the remington has the x-mark pro (which many people don't like). Both rifles have the potential to be equally accurate so other then the things I mentioned, it's personal preference.

Are you only considering those two rifles? If not another good option to look at is the tikka t3 varmint.
 
I have a 5r and I love it!! It's really accurate and shoots sub-MOA (5-10 shots) all day long with the stock bedding and trigger with factory 168gr match ammunition... I would recommend it without a doubt.... Some guys have good results with 180gr hand load

I shoot with guys having custom rifles costing a lot more(3-4 times) than my 5r and my groups are as tight.... I think it's a really good starting rifle.

I don't want to get into the Remington vs Savage thing... Never tried the Savage FCP-SR....

For the optic, I have a Sightron SIII 8x32x56 LRMOA and I'm pretty happy with it too.... buy a good scope base and good rings....

This package costed me under 2500$ with glass and I'm pretty sure it would outshoot most shooter..
 
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The follow up will be I'm looking for glass. A good starter scope for F class that I won't feel like I need to replace right away as I build skills? And I'd love to here from a few more people on the rifles.

Thanks for the help
 
Don'tkillbill said:
The follow up will be I'm looking for glass. A good starter scope for F class that I won't feel like I need to replace right away as I build skills? And I'd love to here from a few more people on the rifles.

Thanks for the help
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You need to include what your looking to spend, and maybe some other guidelines if possible (type of reticule, 1st or 2nd focal plane, do you want a zerostop or not). Im not saying that you need to know exactly what you want (then there's no point in asking) but the answer to such a general question at this point is every quality, high magnification scope in production.
 
JPNICK said:
I have a 5r and I love it!! It's really accurate and shoots sub-MOA (5-10 shots) all day long with the stock bedding and trigger with factory 168gr match ammunition... I would recommend it without a doubt.... Some guys have good results with 180gr hand load

I shoot with guys having custom rifles costing a lot more(3-4 times) than my 5r and my groups are as tight.... I think it's a really good starting rifle.

I don't want to get into the Remington vs Savage thing... Never tried the Savage FCP-SR....

For the optic, I have a Sightron SIII 8x32x56 LRMOA and I'm pretty happy with it too.... buy a good scope base and good rings....

This package costed me under 2500$ with glass and I'm pretty sure it would outshoot most shooter..
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The above is a good post.
More people are familiar with the Savage and Tikka. After reading all the reviews I could find I went with with the 5R. I couldn't be happier. My first 5 round group other than 22LR was with my 5R and Zeiss Conquest scope. .357 center to center 100 yards 5 round groups with 168 Federal Gold match off the shelf ammo. Yes it shoots with much more expensive rifles. I also like the stock, fit and overall look of the 5R the best.

Here are the benefits of the 5R:

HS stock with aluminum bedding block (get a firearms torque screwdriver and this will work great)
24" (Now 20" as well I seem to recall) medium heavy barrel contour Stainless steel bead blasted (anti glare, looks cool) 1:11.25 twist (Common military twist ie Milspec) 5R polygonal rifling.
Stainless steel bead blasted action.
The trigger is decent. Stock it's a bit heavy but very easy and not expensive to have a gunsmith lower the weight. Mine were lowered to 3 lbs, but my first group was shot with the trigger stock.

Bottom line they shoot very well. It's a true sub .5 moa rifle out of the box. The beauty is the twist rate favours 168 and 175 match ammo. For those starting out you can buy this off the shelf and still shoot with those reloading. You can't say that with most rifles. With most you have to reload. Of course you can also reload and reload data is extremely easy to find. You won't be spending a lot of time trying to find the magic round for these rifles.

Get some decent glass and rings. I went with two piece Leupold rings and bases. Good glass and rings are a must for whichever rifle you choose. Don't cheap out. But do your homework spending more isn't always the best decision.
 
Don'tkillbill said:
The follow up will be I'm looking for glass. A good starter scope for F class that I won't feel like I need to replace right away as I build skills? And I'd love to here from a few more people on the rifles.

Thanks for the help
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I would say the Sightron SIII 8x32x56 or the Sightron SIII 10x50x60.... They are the best scope for FTR for the quality/price ratio and lot of FTR shooters use them.... You should be able to have one delivered to your door for around 1000$ with the more expensive LRMOA reticle..... They are basically half price of the competitors....You could call Peter Dobson from Hirsch Precision for help on this..... You could call Jerry from Mystic Precision too..never dealed with him but theres lots of good comments...

But don't try to cut on your base and rings....buy quality stuff like epoxy7 said.... For my part, I use badger ordnance base and EGW rings..

For the which rifle stuff... You have to know that some people will say the savage is the best because it's a Savage and other will say the Remington is better because it's a Remington.....and there's also the Tikka group.....
I would say take each rifle in your hand and take the one you prefer.... I took the 5r and I'm really happy with it.... But if you take the 5r in your hand and don't feel comfortable with it.... It means that you will have to change the stock in a near future.... And that means more money....
 
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Shabazz said:
The savage has a faster twist rate (1:10) then the remington (1:11.25) so it can handle heavier bullets. The savage has a DBM versus the 5r's standard floorplate, which is better depends on your preference. The savage has the accutrigger and the remington has the x-mark pro (which many people don't like). Both rifles have the potential to be equally accurate so other then the things I mentioned, it's personal preference.

Are you only considering those two rifles? If not another good option to look at is the tikka t3 varmint.
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1:10 is not needed for anything 308. It is far more twist than you need and it does nothing but produce more torque.

you may want to read this http://riflemansjournal.########.ca/2010/06/ballistics-heavy-bullets-in-113-twist.html
 
Thanks for the tips. The world of scopes confuses me and I used be a camera guy and get glass and light a bit. I need a good link and primer on scopes. Learned a lot in the last 2 days.
 
Bakersfield7.62 said:
I go with the 5r it's about as close to an m24 as they come I'm sure the savage is good but not good Enough for a millitary contract
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That's the one reason why I'm glad I bought mine a while ago. When I bought mine the only 1:11.25 5R tooling Remington had was for the M24 rifles. In the last couple of years however they now offer 5R consumer rifle products. Which makes me wonder if the new barrels are made on the regular line now or the M24 one? The 5R milspec has always had a cult following with various stories of how it came to be.

Either way the ones I've shot are all sub .5 moa out of the box. I should also add that the one I have actually shoots sub .4 moa and will shoo .5 moa with 5 rounds out of a cold clean bore without a fouling shot.
 
I never saw a 5R Buyer regrets his buy.....;)
I used to be a camera guy too.. And or the price I definitely recommend a Sightron.... I compared mine with a Nightforce and a Leupold and it's clearer then the leupold and really, really close to the Sightron..., and it doesn't justify the double price tag of the Nightforce for target shooting.... I would suggest you to call Peter Dobson...he sells both NF and Sightron a I think he would give you some good explanations and advices...
 
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What's with the scope being 3" off the barrel?

I'm having a tough time deciding which gun to go with. Currently thinking SPS Tactical for the 20" 1-10 barrel and replacing with a nice B&C stock.

The 5R did cross my mind. The stock isn't exactly the one I want, but you get the stainless barrel and action as well as 1-11.25 twist with the chamfered rifling. Whatever that really does. It's all theory it seems.

After reading extensively online and talking with very knowledgeable people, I think barrel length and twist rates are all just that. Nobody really knows the exact benefits of each other then velocity differs slightly. Not enough to warrant a barrel longer than 20". 24" will work, but not necessarily better, and can often be a negative aspect if the bullet already meets max velocity within the barrel.

I think much of it goes into the physics that most shooters don't understand or know. Hence one guy swears he's right, and the others jump ship on his train of though.

Barrel harmonics and powder burn I bet have 99% to do with it. A blast of air behind the bullet of expanding gasses as it's exiting the barrel is probably no good, neither is running out of jam and having the remaining barrel volume now cause sudden internal pressure differences as the bullet, once being pushed, now being a plunger and sucking. Both of those would de-stabilize the bullet.

Then again how would I know. I have very little experience. All I know is cheap guns can shoot nearly as good, sometimes as good as ones costing 4x as much with a little work.
 
mvarley84 said:
Something having a military contract really has nothing to do with quality or accuracy...Its based on certain criteria being met, and being the lowest bidder...
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It's a bit different when talking about military sniper or DM rifles. Price out the M24, PGW, Mac50, TRG and other military use sniper rifles. They tend not to be lowest bidder.

One of the criteria is they maintain a certain accuracy with available ammo as soldiers don't usually reload their own. The 5R maintains this aspect as the barrel is essentially the M24 barrel just with a medium contour.
 
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