Savage 10TR le/military

derk22 said:
^ that was the worst review I've ever seen. some one do better then this please. pleaaaaase.
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Haha, I didn't want to say anything, but I was hoping that would inspire someone do a better one. Does anyone here speak Indonesian? I'm wondering if he says anything about shooting the thing without a scope.
 
OH-OH! Another LEO/MIL. OFFER by S&W!!
By the way where is the best/least expensive place to pick up a 20 moa rail for these? My ultimate goal for this rifle as my first precision type setup is 1 kilometer! it will be a chore but lots of good info from all of you and guidance to youtube videos/courses are already helping with equipment and mindset!
 
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Mine arrived today! Played with it a bit, tossed on a Harris bi-pod, accu-shot monopod and have a Defcon 1 ordered from Grizzly. Now just need to get a scope and rings, should have a Vortex HS-T ordered this month.
 
Took one out of the box last night. Garbage. The receiver had a good factory installed ding on it. The stock belongs on a .22. I do like the oversized bolt handle. I'll zero it this weekend. Cheap gets you cheap. We'll see how it shoots.
 
Got mine looks great, nice Barrel, stock is higher than I thought but will likely put an adjustable riser on it anyway. It is dirty but was expected and savage doesn't know how long these may sit in a warehouse before selling, gotta strip it anyway. The rail is nice but useless as I need a 20 moa riser to get out to my final goal distance. I will likely clean it and order a scope, then shoot as is while I learn to glass bed on another rifle or two, then by summer try the bedding on this one. it will be interesting to see what diff if any it will make! Good deal! Not sure what some folks expect from a $600- $1000 dollar rifle. I say its a good place to start and as Jerry from Mystic says it has limitations to upgrading so when I upgrade to something more refined, it will sell for close to what I paid!
Thanks to Frontier for being easy to deal with and quick to ship! One more thing, does the muzzle break help in accuracy or just keep the muzzle down for quicker reaquisition of target, with a bolt gun I was thinking that does not matter as much because actioning the bolt takes you off target anyway,,yes or no! Just learning here!
 
bobdbldr said:
One more thing, does the muzzle break help in accuracy or just keep the muzzle down for quicker reaquisition of target, with a bolt gun I was thinking that does not matter as much because actioning the bolt takes you off target anyway,,yes or no! Just learning here!
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The brake is used to control the muzzle, which in turn allows you to re-aquire the target faster (or keep from loosing it). With the smooth operation of the bolt, there should be no reason you come off target,
 
Smooth bolt eh,, that's a tall order, I am a lefty with a right eye dominant using a righty rifle! It is a work in progress but something I can practice for free at home and with several different rifles! perhaps I will look into a break, but as Jerry Miculek says if it doesn't make your gun shoot better or more dependable, why is it on there!
 
bobdbldr said:
Smooth bolt eh,, that's a tall order, I am a lefty with a right eye dominant using a righty rifle! It is a work in progress but something I can practice for free at home and with several different rifles! perhaps I will look into a break, but as Jerry Miculek says if it doesn't make your gun shoot better or more dependable, why is it on there!
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I wish I'd shot mine without the brake to see if it made a difference, that way I could have made a fair comparison to my 700p. I wasn't able to get as good a group with my 700p as I was able to with my 10TR, but I since I'm so new to rifles, I'll chaulk that up to user error. When I shot my TR with brake, I was able to keep the sight picture on the target. When I shot my 700p without brake, I'd be looking at the next lane and I'd have to find the target again. $70 wasn't a complete loss.

Someone mentioned that it was garbage. I respectfully disagree. The rifle cost $600, it's really hard to complain about a rifle that allowed a complete noob (me) to get sub MOA groups with factory ammo (someone pointed out my groupings were about 3/4 MOA at 200m) on his second time ever shooting a bolt gun. I prefer the feel of the stock that came with my 700p, and the bolt doesn't feel quite as smooth as the Remington, but then again, the 700p retails for $1200, and the 10TR is only $600. If the 10TR got me the same groups as my Norc M14 at 200m (minute of large pizza), then yeah, I'd say it could be classified as garbage. But I have yet to read a review of someone who got horrendous groupings with this rifle.

I dunno, to me, it felt like the rifle was doing all the work, because normally, I'm a horrendous shot.
 
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awndray said:
It's not just about groupings for some of us.
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But is there a better deal out there for $599 or less? If there is a rifle out there with the same features, for $599 or less, and can give me the same performace, I wish I'd known about it and I wouldn't have jumped on this deal. I'm not calling you out (if it comes across like that, apologies in advance), nor am I trying to start a debate. I'm just new to shooting so I'm asking an honest question.

My goal in this hobby (sport for some) is to develop the skills and be able to shoot as accurately as possible, in effect get the best groups. A lot of that depends on me, but some will depend on environmental conditions, the ammo, and of course, the equipment. I suppose some people may be in this for theraputic or medatative reasons, and hitting the target is not as important as the process where the emphasis is on the preperation more than the goal (See Kyudo, the way of Japanese archery - "true shooting, certain hitting")

Because I'm so new, and because I've never been able to produce 3/4 moa groups at 200m until I got on this rig, I have to assume that the equipment helped me alot this time. I'm not shooting very far (200m), it wasn't windy or raining, or snowing, so the environemtnal conditions can be ruled out. I was shooting readily available factory ammo, not custom hand-loads. On top of that, 3-4 inches of the bull's eye was obscured with the mildot I was using to mark the centre of the target. Maybe I could have done even better using a better reference point on the reticle. So what else can I conclude other than the equipment worked in my favour?

I can only imagine that if you take my lack of experience out of the equation, removing user error completely, and leave this rifle in the hands of guys like you and with more experience, it could produce 1/4 moa clover-leafs all day without breaking a sweat.
 
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I will be in the same boat as you Mister Donut. The only other bolt action I've fired will be a cooey .22 lol, so this should be interesting. Im looking forward to seeing how I perform with it - very glad to hear it is noob-friendly so-to-speak.
 
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