Savage authorized repair

Johnn Peterson

Johnn Peterson

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I recently bought a new Savage 112BVSS with accutrigger in .25-06 and for whatever reason it won't fire. The firing pin doesn't even touch the primer. The same ammo works fine in a Ruger # 1 & a Remington 700, no problem. I purchased it from Bashaw Sports in AB but just in case the problem is some sort of minor adjustment, does anyone know if there is a Savage authorized repair/warranty facility on Vancouver Island? If so I'll try that before the hassle involved with returning it. I talked to the sport shop, checked & tried a few of their suggestions, no luck.
 
BEARMAN said:
Maybe goto www.savagearms.com/at_pressrelease.htm someone may have adjusted your trigger to the limit. Read the page , see if their onfo helps. If it doesn't, contact them and ask for a warrantee facility in B.C.
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Thanks for the suggestion BEARMAN. I've been through their website and read that info. The trigger seems to be letting off at about 3 lbs but the firing pin isn't touching the primer. As / a suggestion by Bashaw, I removed the bolt & manually released the firing pin. Out it came, no problem. Just tried something else, I polished an aluminium patch tip and put it on the end of a cleaning rod. I cocked the gun, put the tip & rod down the barrel, pushed it firmly against the bolt face & pulled the trigger. Took the tip out, not a mark on it.:confused: I'll have to contact Savage by phone Monday AM or write them a letter as at the moment they are not accepting e-mail.:rolleyes: Just thought in the meantime I'd see if I could find an authorized repair facility close by. If not, I may have to send it back to Bashaw and let them handle it as it isn't something that broke under warranty, it hasn't fired a shot from the 'get go.' Kinda' spoils the plan I had for the weekend.:( Thanks again.
 
I hope you have better luck with Savagearms than I did. The so called adjustable accutrigger, on the rifle I purchased NIB, wouldn't adjust. The shop I bought it in said that they were haveing trouble with others as well and that I would be better off dealing with Savagearms myself because they weren't getting anywhere with them. The demonstrator trigger that Savage puts in the stores is a joke as well, the angle of the grip is totally different from any of its rifles and makes pulling the trigger easier as well, more like holding onto a handgun grip. I ended up selling the rifle at a significant loss after months of lack of response or sidestepping from Savage. The fellow that I sold it to ended up selling it as well, same reason, and yes I told him of the problems before any money changed hands. I will admit, the rifle was acceptabley accurate though. bearhunter
 
Bearhunter, "IF" the trigger was the known problem, buy a quality aftermarket trigger and be done with it. Why sell your rifle at a huge loss when trigger problems are very minor to fix?

Johnn Peterson, your problem is not a hard one to fix. Take it to a capable gunsmith, order a few tiny parts and be done with it. Or, do it yourself like I myself would do :)
 
You're probably right crazy, but if a company reneges on their warranty or guarantee, I'll be damned if I'm going to advertise it for free while carrying it. The fellow that I sold it to is a friend and he just wouldn't listen about the problems, that's why he was given a great price, as he has several other Savage rifles, that are just fine, he wouldn't believe me. He too is surprised and fed up with Savagearms. There is no way that a defective trigger shouldn't be covered under warranty. I have lots of rifles, off the shelf, custom and home built by my self, I was aware of the after market triggers but only bought the Savage/SS/synthetic/300WSM out of curiosity more than anything, to see how well the savage phoenix had risen from the ashes. Pretty wobbly flight pattern, and with that kind of track record from the main office down, the headwinds are going to crash them. bearhunter
 
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A Savage advert states "Unparalleled accuracy, right out-of-the-box". JEEZ, I can't even get it to fire the first shot!! As it hasn't fired a shot, right out of the box, I'm hoping Bashaw Sports, the retailer, will address the problem, in conjunction with Savage Arms. Or, perhaps Bashaw will OK me to take it to a gunsmith locally. At this point, that may be the most hassle free and probably cost effective route to take. IF, however, I had been using it for a while and a problem developed, then it would be a warranty issue between Savage Arms & yours truly. I've never experienced a problem like this with any firearm I've ever purchased, especially a new one! You're probably right crazy, but being unused, new 'in the box' and under warranty, I'm a little reluctant to take it to a gunsmith or do it myself. I'll keep my fingers crossed in the meantime in the hopes that the Bashaw and or Savage will 'step up to the plate' and make things right. If all else fails, I may have to. Anyway, thanks for the input guys, much appreciated.
 
Did you adjust it too low?

Unload.
Remove stock.
Close bolt.
Note position of sear/bolt release.

It should be touching the trigger NOT the accurelease. If it is touching the accurelease lever, you likely have the trigger return spring pressure way too light. See figure 2 in the link. If it is too light, the accurelease design stops the sear/bolt release which stops the firing pin from hitting the primeer unexpectedly.

http://www.savagearms.com/at_pressrelease.htm

Cheers
 
PEI ROB said:
Did you adjust it too low?

Unload.
Remove stock.
Close bolt.
Note position of sear/bolt release.

It should be touching the trigger NOT the accurelease. If it is touching the accurelease lever, you likely have the trigger return spring pressure way too light. See figure 2 in the link. If it is too light, the accurelease design stops the sear/bolt release which stops the firing pin from hitting the primeer unexpectedly.

http://www.savagearms.com/at_pressrelease.htm

Cheers
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Hi PEI ROB;
I didn't adjust the trigger pull at all and I'm guessing it is about 3 lbs +. Thought I'd shoot it a bit first prior to doing any adjusting. With the action removed from the stock, closed the bolt cocking the action and everything looks the same as in Figure 1. There seems to be a couple of slight differences between the side view picture of the trigger unit & the actual unit on my gun. Three items of difference actually. This may be because Savage has changed or upgraded the unit since those pic's/diagrams were printed. If you'd like to see the differences I'm talking about, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll scan and send you the page. There's probably a way I could do it as a PM but dammed if I know how!! Pardon my limited computer skills. Thanks for your info & interest. Hope to hear from you.
 
firemachine69 said:
Funny, I love my accu-trigger, and the service I received from Savage Arms, even more so.
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God, I hope I'm as lucky! The daughter & son in law each have one, samething except in .22-250, and thats primarily why I decided to get this one. Out of the box their's were great, mine has yet to fire a shot so I'm hoping Bashaw and or Savage will come up with a 'solution', soon.
 
Johnn you are correct, the pics show the old trigger housing body style with the pin hole mod done for the Accutrigger. No need to throw out all those bodies when they could punch a hole and reuse them.

Here are some better pics.
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Pic 1 is cocked, pen pointing to the trigger holding the sear as normal.
Pic 2 is the Accutrigger safely catching an unwanted release.
Pic 3 is an intentional trigger pull in progress, pen pointing to the Accutrigger release moved out of the way.
Pic 4 is a normal trigger pull result. Pen pointing to the sear travel distance, note it is further than in Pic 2.

Does your sear travel look like Pic 4 or Pic 2?
 
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PEI ROB said:
Johnn you are correct, the pics show the old trigger housing body style with the pin hole mod done for the Accutrigger. No need to throw out all those bodies when they could punch a hole and reuse them.

Here are some better pics.
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Pic 1 is cocked, pen pointing to the trigger holding the sear as normal.
Pic 2 is the Accutrigger safely catching an unwanted release.
Pic 3 is an intentional trigger pull in progress, pen pointing to the Accutrigger release moved out of the way.
Pic 4 is a normal trigger pull result. Pen pointing to the sear travel distance, note it is further than in Pic 2.

Does your sear travel look like Pic 4 or Pic 2?
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I took the action out of the stock, cocked it, slowly depressed the accurelease. As I continued and squeezed the trigger, the result looked like # 4.
Its really puzzling. Taking the bolt out & manually releasing it, the firing pin seems to be protruding an acceptable amount. To try & check headspace, I added pieces of 0.005" sticky paper to the base on an empty brass and attempted to chambered the brass. I could definately feel the interference with one piece of paper, with two pieces it was very stiff & with three I couldn't close the bolt. I went back to two pieces and cocked & fired a couple of times. Not a mark on the paper at all. If the firing pin protruded manually, why isn't it showing at least some indication of a strike on the paper shim? I'm totally at a loss....
 
wierd. so far everything on my MK2FV in 22 has been very nice, just got a 10 shot group yesterday that was sub moa. (except for 4 i pulled) and i find my accutrigger is working great, adjusted easy too. i guess i lucked out or something. or mabye you guys got a faulty model of the accutrigger.
 
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Well now we know it isn't the Accutrigger. Perhaps the bolt isn't fully closing beacuse the rearmost front base screw is too long. It is very common to see this as the Weaver base screws that come in the bag need to be trimmed for both the front base holes but not the rear base. Its also possible the bolt handle is hitting the stock but not likely.

Cheers
 
Well test it.

Load the rifle find a 3 story building overlooking a concrete parking lot climb to the roof and throw the rifle off the edge into the parking lot if it doesnt go off when it hits the concrete its working properly i heard this is the way the cheif execute officer for savage checked one earlier in the developement of the accutrigger. You probably got that one by mistake.
 
PEI ROB said:
Well now we know it isn't the Accutrigger. Perhaps the bolt isn't fully closing beacuse the rearmost front base screw is too long. It is very common to see this as the Weaver base screws that come in the bag need to be trimmed for both the front base holes but not the rear base. Its also possible the bolt handle is hitting the stock but not likely.

Cheers
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I've recently retired but spent most of my career in industrial maintenance, first as a millwright and then as a maintenance supervisor. One of the courses I took was a Kepner Tregoe problem solving / trouble shooting course. I must have dozed off and missed some of it :redface: because Rob, you hit the nail right on the head!! I've used a set of Leupold mounts & rings and the rear screw on the front base is about 0.060" too long and wasn't allowing the bolt to close quite completely. My daughter & son in law both have the same rifles in .22-250 and there is a slight difference between the two in the bolt handle configuration, so, when my bolt handle sat up a little, I never thought much of it.
I'm most grateful Rob & owe you big time. Thank you all for your interest & suggestions:) but especially a big hand of appreciation for PEI ROB!!!:D :D I'll be out at dawn tomorrow to'play' with my new toy.
(tested with an empty primmed case)
 
Savage Warranty

Johnn, I do warranty work for Savage Arms (centerfire only) and I think your problem lies in the firing pin not the accutrigger. You can contact the boys over at Bashaw and although they are more than capable of altering firing pin protrosion or replacing a broken fireing pin its not their problem. Its a Savage issue. You have purchased an ecellent firearm inregards to quality and quantity for dollars spent, but even Rollsroyce have a few that slip through the cracks. Phone your retailer and they will give you instructions as to how to send your rifle to me. Regards David.
 
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