For absolutely painless bore sighting on your Tipton Gun Vise buy this: "Bushnell Professional Bore Sight Kit with Case, Black" from amazon.ca. I bought this kit a few years ago and since then all my problems with bore sighting are solved. This is one of the items I can classify as "money well spent". After doing the bore sighting procedure a few times, now it takes me like 5-7 minutes to boresight ANY rifle from .22LR to .45cal. This is preliminary bore sighting after which you have to precisely sight in your scope at 25 yards. The first POI at 25y will be shifted about 1/2-1" from the POA. The rest you do by adjusting the scope knobs.
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My one and only experience with a laser bore sight thing that went into the rifle chamber lead me to not even try them any more - if you rotated the laser thing in the chamber - it would point to a different place. Maybe newest ones are made better. But, since most all of my rifles are bolt action, I remove the bolt and squint down the bore when installing a scope - bore sight with my eye.
I do have semi-auto .22 and lever action rifles - but they worked out "close enough" to be on large cardboard - just need to visually see that it "looks about right" when mounted, and then start with target to be "close" - if no holes, get closer, until I get holes on the target - align from there - and work your way back out to distance. Is my practice to fire at least twice - more commonly three times, before making an adjustment - I want to see that the system is actually working correctly - and that gives me some clue about the accuracy capability of me, that rifle and that scope installation. No point to continue if getting three holes 5 inches apart at 25 yards or less - something is very wrong with me, that rifle or that scope - simply not going to get that "sighted in" at 100 yards or wherever. But you will not know that, unless you took at least those first three deliberate, careful shots - for most guns / most shooters you will likely end up with a single hole - or perhaps a "lumpy" single hole at 25 yards or less, from a solid rest.
Is a thing that confounds some, I think - I believe is only very last perhaps caliber distance in the barrel, and the condition of the muzzle (and the base of the bullet) that determine where the bullet will go - the rest of that 18", 22", 26" barrel is just going to build velocity - does not actually have much to do with where the bullet goes once it leaves the barrel - so you actually have to fire the thing on a target to know where the bullet goes - so "bore sighting" does NOT tell you that - its purpose is to help you to get holes on the paper - actually have to fire rounds, to know where the next one will likely go.
thegazelle - do not take my word for it, or an advertisers word - if you have one or more - clamp your rifle so it does not move - then try placing that thing in your chamber at different orientations - maybe you have a type that is "good" - the one that I tried was noticeably different places for the laser dot, when installed one orientation to another - was a sample of "one" - but enough that I could not be bothered to try another. I am "old school" enough that I see what I see looking through the bore - and I trust that. Do not loose track of the purpose - to get a bullet hole on the paper - despite some posters or some advertising, it DOES NOT replace shooting to "sight in" your scope.
They all have some margin of error, they’re to get you on paper that’s it. They aren’t some precision instrument, glorified laser pointer basically. The rest is up to you, surprisingly a lot of people think bore sighting gets you dead on. How many of you know a guy that went on a hunting trip with a new rifle that “The store bore sighted” that they never shot, only to miss every deer they shot at?
They all have some margin of error, they’re to get you on paper that’s it. They aren’t some precision instrument, glorified laser pointer basically. The rest is up to you, surprisingly a lot of people think bore sighting gets you dead on. How many of you know a guy that went on a hunting trip with a new rifle that “The store bore sighted” that they never shot, only to miss every deer they shot at?
Thanks for the suggestion. I have ordered! For the cost I am expecting this to move mountains...lol
Super!
After properly mounting the scope, clamp your rifle well in your Tipton Gun Vise. After inserting the boresighter with an arbor into the muzzle, direct a lot of light on the front boresighter lens. Then you will see well the grid in the boresighter. I have a rotary desk lamp on my gunsmithing table which is perfect for that purpose.
To align the boresighter grid with the scope reticles I usually set up the scope at 5x magnification. The boresighter grids are well seen then. Then finally I set up the scope at higher magnification, say 16x and then check the alignment of the grids with the reticles again.
It can get even worse - a local guy bought a reasonably expensive rifle (Weatherby Mark V) in 7mm Weatherby Magnum for his son - about had a conniption to discover there was NO ammo to be bought in Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta - I did find 2 boxes of 20 Weatherby brand ammo at a place in Vancouver - was nearly $8 per round once we got it here in Western Manitoba - several years ago. He also had me install a Leupold 2.5-10x40 scope in Talley rings - all decent stuff, I thought, but he pretty much had another conniption when I told him that he needed to shoot some targets to verify that the barrel and scope were pointed in the same direction - I described how I bore sighted and installed that scope. He then drove 2 1/2 hours each way to Brandon to have a "gunsmith" use a "bore sighter" to "sight in" that rifle - was "ready to go" as far as he was concerned. The ammo we got used 160 grain Nosler Partitions - I showed up at his place with a pressure test series - two or three rounds in new Weatherby brass, per 0.5 grain increment, from Nosler Manual start load - 20 rounds in total. That rifle was shooting about 18" high at 100 yards when we started. Again, in my mind - so much for "bore sighting" equalling "sighting in" - he is the one that told me it was "sighted in" to hit 3" high at 100 yards.
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Super!
After properly mounting the scope, clamp your rifle well in your Tipton Gun Vise. After inserting the boresighter with an arbor into the muzzle, direct a lot of light on the front boresighter lens. Then you will see well the grid in the boresighter. I have a rotary desk lamp on my gunsmithing table which is perfect for that purpose.
To align the boresighter grid with the scope reticles I usually set up the scope at 5x magnification. The boresighter grids are well seen then. Then finally I set up the scope at higher magnification, say 16x and then check the alignment of the grids with the reticles again.
That sounds like a lot of fiddling around vs just looking down the bore at a small piece of green painters tape on the wall. Lol
Super!
After properly mounting the scope, clamp your rifle well in your Tipton Gun Vise. After inserting the boresighter with an arbor into the muzzle, direct a lot of light on the front boresighter lens. Then you will see well the grid in the boresighter. I have a rotary desk lamp on my gunsmithing table which is perfect for that purpose.
To align the boresighter grid with the scope reticles I usually set up the scope at 5x magnification. The boresighter grids are well seen then. Then finally I set up the scope at higher magnification, say 16x and then check the alignment of the grids with the reticles again.
I have great succes with the Axis. yes the stock is flimzy but they shoots good.
But the XP package, the base and rings are never properly torque.