Savage ML blows up
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tactical870
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That is the case in the one exapmle of this I have personally held in my hands.
I was hanging out at the local g-shop when a fella brought his in. Apparently it was stored with a load in it when he loaded another....... Big badda boom! The pic pretty much looked like the ones shown above.
I know of 30ish guys that regularly hunt with theirs, and the local g-store owner has told me of the 400+ he has sold this is the only one he has heard of a problem with.......
Personally, I belive that anybody who reloads (myself included) is in danger of this happening, regardless of make, model or type of firearm.
My $.02
Great article by Randy Wakeman. Anyone thinking about getting a Savage ML10 should read this one. The Toby Bridges extortion angle just blows my mind! I always thought they were a great ML & will buy one when I have the funds.
Don't take this the wrong way, but how does the ram rod say anything? I can't see why the ram rod would say anything about an obstruction?
Or did you mean that if he marked the ram rod he would have known it wasn't seated properly?
If you have your ramrod marked it will tell you if the gun is loaded or not. This avoids putting a double load in the gun. The gun sure looks like this was the cause of the blast.
Muzzle loading requires a bit more attention to detail than a cartridge gun. This pic shows why.
BTW I've had my Savage ML for a few years and I plan on using it for many more. They are a hell of a gun. Mine has dropped more deer than any other rifle I have ever owned. Just be careful and they won't blow up
unfortunately the few ungodly stupid people that have owned these ML's have ruined it for the majority of smart and careful owners. people really dont seem to realize that smokeless powder is leaps and bounds more dangerous than black powder. using blackpowder in a well maintained gun it really dont matter how much powder you put in its not gonna blow up. it will just push the excess powder out the front in a large fireball. smokeless on the other hand, a couple of grains of powder can be catastrophic.
dont get me wrong i loved the idea of a smokeless ML, but i go by the old adage, if you think you have made something idiot proof, god will invent a better idiot.
some people are just not smart enough to own even some of the simplest firearms.
dont get me wrong i loved the idea of a smokeless ML, but i go by the old adage, if you think you have made something idiot proof, god will invent a better idiot.
some people are just not smart enough to own even some of the simplest firearms.
That's the only logical thing I could think of. I thought you saw something on the ramrod which would suggest otherwise.
They say if you forget to take the ramrod out of the barrel..........it will bulge the barrel for sure, if not blow.
I do not see the ramrod....I have heard some people forget to take the rod out and shoot it out........I always but it back in even at the range,You have to get into a routine when loading so you don"t get mix up.... double load = disaster
I do not see the ramrod....I have heard some people forget to take the rod out and shoot it out........I always but it back in even at the range,You have to get into a routine when loading so you don"t get mix up.... double load = disaster
Just curious about something:
(Now keep in mind I can't see these recent pics on this PC) but, all the pics of blown-up ML10's that I've seen so far have been stainless guns,... and NO, I'm not knocking the Savage, I have one and love it. Just wondering if it's simply that more were sold or if the harder steel is more prone to fragment.
Btw, for the record, I believe ALL these blow-ups are operator error.
(Now keep in mind I can't see these recent pics on this PC) but, all the pics of blown-up ML10's that I've seen so far have been stainless guns,... and NO, I'm not knocking the Savage, I have one and love it. Just wondering if it's simply that more were sold or if the harder steel is more prone to fragment.
Btw, for the record, I believe ALL these blow-ups are operator error.
Wondered that myself. But as you mention, stainless does out number blued. In fact I've never seen one in blued steel, other than in a catalogue, but I've seen half a dozen in person or here on this site.
I know a guy that we were talking to and just by off chance mentioned that and he was measuring his power out(IMR 4759) with BP volume measurer not weighting it out= disaster!!!!!
We got him straightened him out but I wonder how many other there is out there?
We got him straightened him out but I wonder how many other there is out there?
I know someone that uses the "about that much" volume measure.
In fact, he uses an empty .308 casing filled to the top. I double checked it for him because I was worried, and it's actually pretty darn close... but still not the way I'd do it.
In fact, he uses an empty .308 casing filled to the top. I double checked it for him because I was worried, and it's actually pretty darn close... but still not the way I'd do it.
Problem is that commercial .308Win cases can vary as much as 10%, depending on the internal design of the base.
'The most important thing to remember about military brass is that the internal capacity will probably be less than commercial .308 Win brass, because military brass often has thicker webs or casewalls. Montana Marine reports his fire-formed milsurp cases hold 56 grains of H20 on average compared to 58 grains for fire-formed Winchester. Given the reduced capacity of military brass, you should reduce posted max loads by 1.5 grains when loading with Lake City or most other milsurp brass. However, the IMI MATCH brass is closer to commercial brass in internal case capacity (ICC). Kevin Beggs reports: "Fired, my IMI Match brass runs with an ICC of 55.0gr and bumping the shoulder back .001" will net me an ICC average of 54.0gr. LAPUA runs an average of 54.4gr and Federal runs an average of 54.3gr ICC.' [Thanks to http://www.6mmbr.com/308win.html]
Only if he has set on one make of case and KNOWS how much it holds is that loading method valid.
tac
'The most important thing to remember about military brass is that the internal capacity will probably be less than commercial .308 Win brass, because military brass often has thicker webs or casewalls. Montana Marine reports his fire-formed milsurp cases hold 56 grains of H20 on average compared to 58 grains for fire-formed Winchester. Given the reduced capacity of military brass, you should reduce posted max loads by 1.5 grains when loading with Lake City or most other milsurp brass. However, the IMI MATCH brass is closer to commercial brass in internal case capacity (ICC). Kevin Beggs reports: "Fired, my IMI Match brass runs with an ICC of 55.0gr and bumping the shoulder back .001" will net me an ICC average of 54.0gr. LAPUA runs an average of 54.4gr and Federal runs an average of 54.3gr ICC.' [Thanks to http://www.6mmbr.com/308win.html]
Only if he has set on one make of case and KNOWS how much it holds is that loading method valid.
tac
