Scar 16s & 17s
- Thread starter DragonStrike
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well I guess we have either a different budget or different priorities... I'd likely part with my ACR and maybe my AAC micro 7 too as a NR SCAR H would probably make these two safe queen.
I'd keep my MK18 and MK25 tho, they'd like a big sis MK17
I'd keep my MK18 and MK25 tho, they'd like a big sis MK17
any AR15 can be converted to full auto if you know how to machine the receiver correctly & drop in a full auto trigger kit.
Yup, but because they are restricted BY LAW (written by name in the law) the RCMP cannot prohibit them. They can prohibit whatever they so choose that isn't specifically classified in the law because "easily converted to full auto" is subjective.
That is why we cannot have nice things.
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- Grande Prairie AB
Well I'm sorry I caused such a stir I think it is a true shame that a firearm that looks like a scar fires the same ammo as a Scar
and is even called a Scar lookalike is NR here and the Scar is prob. On another note while talking to Walter at Fareast about the ACR
coming in to them if you want it Non Rest. they will mount the 18.5" barrel on it to make it NR but If you want to change it over
to 6.8 SPC or 300 AAC the only Barrels for the change out Calibers are only 16.5" therefore putting it in the RES. column so any one
purchasing these items better have a Res. Pal.
and is even called a Scar lookalike is NR here and the Scar is prob. On another note while talking to Walter at Fareast about the ACR
coming in to them if you want it Non Rest. they will mount the 18.5" barrel on it to make it NR but If you want to change it over
to 6.8 SPC or 300 AAC the only Barrels for the change out Calibers are only 16.5" therefore putting it in the RES. column so any one
purchasing these items better have a Res. Pal.
- Location
- Grande Prairie AB
Is there any way We (CGN) as a group or even some Firearms Sellers get together to get a SCAR 16s &17S to the powers that be to have them check it again for Res, or Non Restricted Status.
it would be in everybody's interest to do this.
it would be in everybody's interest to do this.
This is what I gathered from years of postings at CGN:
Many years ago Questar submitted the first SCAR 16S sample to the magic palace, and it was stuck because the magic palace had some question concerning the function of a sear in the fire control parts. Questar asked FN herstal for assistance but FN Herstal would not answer magic palace's question, and the issue was in limbo.
Independent of Questar, Movie arms had tried to get into the SCAR business too. They submitted both 16S and the full auto version to the magic palace. Soon after, the 16S became prohibit. Questar got rid of their 16S, and end of story.
Fast forwards to now, FN is officially represented in Canada finally. The current FN distributor in Canada is also a distributor in the US. They have no idea of what it has happened before.
This whole story boils down to 1 thing, you need to have the factory to support your inquiry when things get sticky and technical. Too many people trying to do the same thing could end up messing things up. The story died when FN Herstal stopped caring because, I suspect, Questar is not an official distributor and the second a serious technical question got raised they just stopped all communications to reduce risk. In the race to get the first dib, multiple people are trying to step over each other to reach the top, and we are stuck at the point of no return.
Many years ago Questar submitted the first SCAR 16S sample to the magic palace, and it was stuck because the magic palace had some question concerning the function of a sear in the fire control parts. Questar asked FN herstal for assistance but FN Herstal would not answer magic palace's question, and the issue was in limbo.
Independent of Questar, Movie arms had tried to get into the SCAR business too. They submitted both 16S and the full auto version to the magic palace. Soon after, the 16S became prohibit. Questar got rid of their 16S, and end of story.
Fast forwards to now, FN is officially represented in Canada finally. The current FN distributor in Canada is also a distributor in the US. They have no idea of what it has happened before.
This whole story boils down to 1 thing, you need to have the factory to support your inquiry when things get sticky and technical. Too many people trying to do the same thing could end up messing things up. The story died when FN Herstal stopped caring because, I suspect, Questar is not an official distributor and the second a serious technical question got raised they just stopped all communications to reduce risk. In the race to get the first dib, multiple people are trying to step over each other to reach the top, and we are stuck at the point of no return.
Hey Greentips (or anyone else that knows), is there a way to actually get an official statement from the labs as to how they came to the ruling on this rifle?
And, just as a follow-up, if we could no longer submit the 16/17s for samples, would it be possible for the CSR-20 to be submitted (as it is going to be a civilian offering by the end of the year, according to FN). This one from the ground-up is meant to be a semi-auto version, but I'm unsure if the lower is identical to the 16/17.
The Scar 16S was submitted by Questar as was already said by Greentips . Upon their examination questions arose on the sear , hammer , height of the rails between upper and lower receiver and the lab wanted to see a select fire version and even went so far as to issue a Purchase Order and paperwork to import a sample. All the while Questar was trying to get FN Herstal to assist or FN USA no one would answer the specific questions and deemed the information proprietary. In the interim the Movie company imported samples in select fire and semi under samples for testing. This gave the RCMP the sample that was needed. After their examination they deemed the guns prohibited , Questar never recieved in writing why but their statement was too easy to convert, it claimed that using simple hand tools a person could modify the rails dropping the upper to lower height then modifiying the hammer and sear. This was all after having the select fire version and taking measurements it concerned the lab enough to actually contact ATF about their findings. At the time I worked for Questar from 2006 to 2013 . Their position is easily converted period deemed prohibited. I doubt they will ever change their mind like the original type 97
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- Grande Prairie AB
Thank you ops_339 for Clarifying the situation for me. I knew someone on the form would be able to tell me
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I wonder what the lab would make of a Handl Defense lower?
As a community we have to be extremely careful about how we submit samples for evaluation to the lab.
As if this is done in a manner that is not tighly bound with the manufacturer of the firearm who can then officially answer the lab's questions we wind up getting screwed.
On another note about how facking stupid we are, I wish we all would just stop, STOP, facking STOP!!!!!!, talking to the CFOs and the lab and trying to force their decisions and stances on grey issues, i.e. beowulf magazines, pistol magazines, swiss arms, etc.
STOP
Why do I have to explain this to some of you over and over again? If you force a reluctant, contrarian adversary/partner into making decisions, a partner who has full control and authority over you, in which favor do you think those decisions will land?
Haven't any of you ever gone through a divorce? Havent you all realized by now the RCMP and CFO are against civilians owning any and all types of firearms? Think anout the CFO and RCMP as a bitter seperated wife in the process of a divorce that wants to cut off your d!ck and balls and feed them to you for supper!
Some of you still think the RCMP and CFO are here to help us and serve us.
My god, some of you are retarded...
As if this is done in a manner that is not tighly bound with the manufacturer of the firearm who can then officially answer the lab's questions we wind up getting screwed.
On another note about how facking stupid we are, I wish we all would just stop, STOP, facking STOP!!!!!!, talking to the CFOs and the lab and trying to force their decisions and stances on grey issues, i.e. beowulf magazines, pistol magazines, swiss arms, etc.
STOP
Why do I have to explain this to some of you over and over again? If you force a reluctant, contrarian adversary/partner into making decisions, a partner who has full control and authority over you, in which favor do you think those decisions will land?
Haven't any of you ever gone through a divorce? Havent you all realized by now the RCMP and CFO are against civilians owning any and all types of firearms? Think anout the CFO and RCMP as a bitter seperated wife in the process of a divorce that wants to cut off your d!ck and balls and feed them to you for supper!
Some of you still think the RCMP and CFO are here to help us and serve us.
My god, some of you are retarded...
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