SCAR program canceled

I was totally underwhelmed by the SCAR when I tried one, as I said last year, there's just nothing that special about it. Yep, it works but so do a lot of other 5.56mm rifles.

Like I said in the other thread, if you've bought one of these it's a wall-hanger, because spare parts will be very hard to find indeed.

Even Jack Bauer was too scared to fire his in 24 :p
 
"Dear Lord why?

So much has been advanced since then, the XM8/G36 though interesting rifles have some serious issues, optics selection being the primary one. Heck even HK has moved on from the G36..."


Not an accurate statement at all.

HK is fully behind the G36 and it is selling very well world wide.

The G36 is one of the finalists in every weapon trial it's entered into. It also wins very often.

It's better in fact than the HK416. It's still their "flagship weapon". I was told by one of their lead technical people that many customers pefer the G36 due to it being simpler and more reliable than the 416 (and less expensive). The Federal German Armed Forces are moving forward with an updated and improved version of the G36. It will have a collapsing / folding stock (that can be fired folded), metal fore grip, and a much needed improved optical sight on a lower, proper picatinny rail. I checked it out, very functional. I didn't get to shoot it and I've never seen any pictures released showing it yet.
Please spare me the theme regarding the poor standard optical sights. The weapon can be ordered with low profile metal picatinny sight rails and you can put on what ever sight you desire, just like any other rifle.

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
"Dear Lord why?

So much has been advanced since then, the XM8/G36 though interesting rifles have some serious issues, optics selection being the primary one. Heck even HK has moved on from the G36..."


Not an accurate statement at all.

HK is fully behind the G36 and it is selling very well world wide.

The G36 is one of the finalists in every weapon trial it's entered into. It also wins very often.

It's better in fact than the HK416. It's still their "flagship weapon". I was told by one of their lead technical people that many customers pefer the G36 due to it being simpler and more reliable than the 416 (and less expensive). The Federal German Armed Forces are moving forward with an updated and improved version of the G36. It will have a collapsing / folding stock (that can be fired folded), metal fore grip, and a much needed improved optical sight on a lower, proper picatinny rail. I checked it out, very functional. I didn't get to shoot it and I've never seen any pictures released showing it yet.
Please spare me the theme regarding the poor standard optical sights. The weapon can be ordered with low profile metal picatinny sight rails and you can put on what ever sight you desire, just like any other rifle.

Rich
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Do you know which rifle beats them all? The Swiss Arms rifle.
 
Rich LPS said:
Please spare me the theme regarding the poor standard optical sights. The weapon can be ordered with low profile metal picatinny sight rails and you can put on what ever sight you desire, just like any other rifle.

Rich
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The G36 is a pretty interesting rifle with some very interesting features and its good to hear that they have been advancing the design. Folding collapsible stocks have been around for years and the XM8 had this feature way back when.

Biggest problem with the G36/XM8, is the charging handle location. If you bring the rail down lower, the handle is harder to get at. Make the handle easier to get to and optic offset is higher. One of the really nice things about the AR's low picatinny rail height is that you can use folding BUIS effectively, do this with the G36 and you have a stupid vertical offset for optics.

If I had the option I guess I'd make a fixed charging handle on the G36 with as low a rail as possible. The downside is the handle would recip... you'd probably be hitting the optic/mount all the time when charging... the G36 is just a dated design, really great in the 90s but once all the accessory advancements of the last decade are weighed against the rifle its poop starts to show. Make the G36 with an extruded upper and fixed charging handle and I'd be in... but then you'd have a SCAR.

Don't get me wrong I know the SCAR isn't gonna change the world but neither do I believe the G36 has the necessary requirements to replace the M4.

Now this is interesting: http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2010armament/ThursdayLandmarkBKoriPhillips.pdf
 
After firing both the SCAR and G36 I have to say I still prefer the M4 system. The two former's seem bulky with excessive amounts of material. The modularity and aftermarket for the AR is unbeatable.
 
2011...the war's over...everyone's coming home! America doesn't need a new rifle until the next one....economic's is replacing war in the future. We are in a ECONOMIC DEPRESSION until 2016 at least. North America has to pay down debt and live the simple life,so simple people can live.
 
Do you really think North America will pay it's dept by 2016 and live the simple life, so simple people can live? Wait I'm trying to find a brick wall to hit my head against... crap no brick wall, can someone find me one around my neighbourhood on Google Map while I'm nailing my eyeballs? Thanks.
 
Scar

People have this fantasy in their heads that US troops are spraying walls of 5.56 lead at brown fuzzy people and can't manage to drop any of them.

They also have these funny images in their heads of our men being overrun by the islamozombie hordes with jammed rifles.

It simply isn't happening. Shot placement trumps caliber any time of the day and Direct Impingement AR's have and continue to win wars.

Everyone keeps saying "move on" get a new gun. It isn't that easy, when you buy a rifle you have to buy training, parts for 30+ yrs, accessories, re-tool factories ect...... They simply can't afford it.
 
QOR said:
People have this fantasy in their heads that US troops are spraying walls of 5.56 lead at brown fuzzy people and can't manage to drop any of them.

They also have these funny images in their heads of our men being overrun by the islamozombie hordes with jammed rifles.

It simply isn't happening. Shot placement trumps caliber any time of the day and Direct Impingement AR's have and continue to win wars.

Everyone keeps saying "move on" get a new gun. It isn't that easy, when you buy a rifle you have to buy training, parts for 30+ yrs, accessories, re-tool factories ect...... They simply can't afford it.
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Which wars to be exactly were won with the AR platform :nest:
 
QOR said:
Everyone keeps saying "move on" get a new gun. It isn't that easy, when you buy a rifle you have to buy training, parts for 30+ yrs, accessories, re-tool factories ect...... They simply can't afford it.
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I think you're right. There needs to be a big advancement in order to justify the cost.
 
Rauch Tactical said:
Dear Lord why?

So much has been advanced since then, the XM8/G36 though interesting rifles have some serious issues, optics selection being the primary one. Heck even HK has moved on from the G36...

As for the SCAR, its a pretty well developed platform, I highly doubt we'll see it disappear. The main issue in the US is that they are broke, like really broke. M4s are just plain cheaper to acquire and at the end of the day money talks. There is a lot going on in the US right now, especially at the top, a lot of it to do with $.
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The SCAR was deeply unpopular amongst it's trigger-pullers, who aren't the bean-counters.
 
dangertree said:
The SCAR was deeply unpopular amongst it's trigger-pullers, who aren't the bean-counters.
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Yea that may be but its not my point, other then thinking its kinda neat I'm not a SCAR fanboy. The US/Canada etc will be hanging on to the AR platform for at least 15 years IMHO, stupid not to. Doesn't mean there aren't other interesting ideas out there, SCAR being one (ACR used to be one :( ). I wanna see caseless/polymer cased ammo!!! Lets see a major advancement not the G36. Till then stick with whats doing job.
 
Rauch Tactical said:
back that statement up with something...
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You know polymer melts, right?


Oh and f**k that, I won't entertain a deal about "futuristic" ammunition, brass cased ammo is fine as it is right now, and I'm pretty damn sure 50 years from now we won't be using plasma rifles in the 40 watt range neither. The cost of any major changes in weapon platforms and ammuniton is gigantic, and even the U.S. can't afford that, especially in the future, where I'm damn sure the economy will be pretty close to death, if not six feet under.
 
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