blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Welcome to the "new" normal, apparently.
SCAR Where Art Thou ?
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Welcome to the "new" normal, apparently.
Want to bet?
- We applied for an FRT# for the SCAR16s back in Oct/Nov 2009...
- We followed that up with a actual gun submitted to RCMP for examination in March 2010 (as per their subsequent request)
- Since then no official decision or response to our written inquiries on status
At various times we've been told that "examination" was complete only to later be told "still under review".
So please don't say "it doesn't take that long to get a FRT"... the fact is it takes as long as the RCMP want to take... days... weeks... months... or apparently years. That's the reality.
Mark
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Let's hope this is the exception that doesn't become the rule!
Hi Mark,
I am planning to bring up the issue to my MP in Toronto / Ontario. And I will use your time-line to complain how efficient the RCMP is. Do you think it is a good plan? Also, if you have any technical ground to prove the gun should be restricted right away please provide to me so I can put it in my mail. Lastly, if you know any possible channels that I can complain please also advise. Thanks.
I am planning to bring up the issue to my MP in Toronto / Ontario. And I will use your time-line to complain how efficient the RCMP is. Do you think it is a good plan? Also, if you have any technical ground to prove the gun should be restricted right away please provide to me so I can put it in my mail. Lastly, if you know any possible channels that I can complain please also advise. Thanks.
So, If they cant get the SCAR to go full auto and are looking at having to register it as restricted or Non restricted based on the barrel length alone; But they are some how able to get the ISSC Scar/knockoff to go full auto; will they be able to Prohib the Real Scar because it looks like the ISSC copy?
Frankly it's becoming more and more the "norm" and not the exception. Everything is being examined closely and anything that in any way might be argued or open to interpretation is being put through the grinder and the time delays are just getting longer and longer.
If you heard some of the "suggestions" that have been making the rounds about proposed changes to the way guns are imported (commercially) you'd see that this is going to get worse, not better. Some "ideas" that were being discussed by Ontario's CFO/CBSA/CFC/RCMP can only drive up import costs and increase time delays throughout the entire process.
The ONLY place that complaints may have an effect are via your MP. Your MP cares because your unhappiness directly affects his chances of re-election and thereby his income/job. Your MP may not have a big effect on changing the laws as they are now... but he can have an impact on how the police are abusing the system and thumbing their nose at the Conservatives.
Enough people bring complaints to their MP's about CFC/RCMP's abuse of the system and refusal to do their jobs in a timely fashion then I believe that it will filter down and cause changes to the way RCMP are acting.
The abuses are what we need to bring out into the light... complaining about enforcement of stupid laws is pointless... but complaining about RCMP refusing to issue FRT#'s (or holding such FRT#'s in limbo) for 6 to 12 plus months without legal cause or justification... that is something that is valid and something the MP's can make noise about.
The law says that a firearm is legal UNLESS it is something that the law has declared Prohibited for a variety of reasons. It does NOT take 12 months for the RCMP to determine that the SCAR16s is NOT prohibited by any of the sections contained in the firearms act... therefore the gun is legal and should be registered and approved for transfers according to the rules and regulations governing those activities.
If the RCMP have reason to believe that the SCAR16s is for some reason a Prohibited Firearm under the legislation then they should declare that ruling and articulate the basis for those findings... otherwise stop screwing around.
Mark
No... that falls under the "variant" issue and variant prohibitions ONLY applies to Name Prohibited Firearms where the legislation stated that "x" gun and all modified version and variant thereof were Prohibited.
A firearm that's classified prohibited because it is considered a full auto is only classified that way for that specific gun and not variants of that gun unless they also are considered full auto.
Mark
I am on the list, and have money down as well. I am "us". It is just not productive to fire at Mark IMO. Especially in an unproductive fashion. I think the reality of the situation, and potential ways forward is clear to most of 'us".
And yes, I completely understand about the ACR "coming in", and though I am glad to see it potentially on the Canadian market, it is neither the Masada, nor a well tested field firearm.
Unfortunately from what I have herd from various sources is that the left wingers have some powerful yes men in the RCMP(Well duh?) that are putting out all the stops to get what they want. There just waiting for the Conservatives to loose an election and the hammer will come down like never before, they don't want the Scar's in the hands of civilians period!
I didn't order a Scar myself, but man that is crazy..
Yes it is rumor, but it explain the obvious, things can get real bad real fast, we are on borrowed time guys...
I didn't order a Scar myself, but man that is crazy..
Yes it is rumor, but it explain the obvious, things can get real bad real fast, we are on borrowed time guys...
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I think you misinterpreted my posts. I was merely expressing my disappointment that a SCAR didn't materialize beneath my Christmas tree this year. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't think anyone is operating under any illusion as to where the delay currently lies.
Only time will tell. And yes, a Masada it is certainly not.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
That definitely doesn't bode well for the future. I've seen the legislation the NDP tabled recently, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least that Ontario is floating a few new "ideas" and "suggestions".
Well said!
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
No worries, it's all good! It's a race! (I've completely re-accessorized this thing 4 or 5 times already...)
I'm still optimistic that 'all good things come to those who wait'... its been a long wait, admittedly, but a lot of us have numerous gun projects on the go, so although I'd like to see an unexpected CanadaPost email notification hit my inbox, I can endure the required time to get this gun classified. Hopefully things pick up in the new year and/or worst-case scenario, a decision is made by the end of the federal fiscal year in March.
Want to help make sure that this 'new normal' doesn't stay the norm? Help the NFA fight the RCMP's unilateral reclassification of firearms by donating to the T-97 Legal Defence Fund. This is the one that started the ball rolling when it comes to the recent spate of RCMP 'reviews' of legal firearms and their foot dragging on a host of others.
There is an obvious anti-firearm institutional bias within the RCMP and our current Justice Minister isn't exactly the best friend gun owners have had, so the courts are our best shot at opposing what amounts to an RCMP undercover jihad against semi-auto military-style sporting rifles.
There is an obvious anti-firearm institutional bias within the RCMP and our current Justice Minister isn't exactly the best friend gun owners have had, so the courts are our best shot at opposing what amounts to an RCMP undercover jihad against semi-auto military-style sporting rifles.
+1
It's a sad, sad state of affairs indeed...
RCMP at the top is definitely against civilian ownership in my humble opinion!
