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Personally if the RCMP can't convert it and can't find out how to convert it from FN. What chance does Joe Blow have?
The FRT lab should not require any input from the manufacturer. They need to ask themselves these questions and not the manufacturer.
Can I easily convert it to full auto with readably available parts? No.
Is it based on a prohibited? No.
Does it meet OAL requirements? Yes
Does it meet barrel length requirements? No
result
RESTRICTED
How hard is that.
 
mildot said:
One of my problems with the "full auto" parts interchangeability is that if this firearm was just entering the market there might be some concern.However its been for sale in the civilian market for years in the US.The US has prohibited new machine guns since 84, not likely that the ATF would have "signed off" on it, if it can use full auto SCAR parts.

Hence FN made it a "manufactured only" semi.
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But we have to do it the Canadian way.

So a drug is being sold worldwide or at least in Europe for a number of years and is successful? Canadian way: Well, we're not too sure, better test it for another 20 years.

So the Americans can't convert it to full auto? Canadian way: Well, they're probably not experts in firearms. I'll bet we can do it.

A rimfire magazine can be used in a rimfire pistol? Canadian way: Ban the damn thing, and turn a blind eye to the millions of magazines with 5x the magazine capacity that CAN be used (this one fires me up something fierce, and I don't even have the affected gun).
 
It looks like a loaded question from the RCMP lab IMO. If I was at FN Herstal I wouldn't dignify it with a response either.

To me it reads like this:

To whom it may concern, regarding the SCAR.

We can't figure out how to classify your rifle as prohibited. It meets all other criteria for a non-restricted firearm but we just really don't want you to sell it here. Could you please spend some time and money to give us a hand with this? If you could just show us how to herp dee derp derp... Then we can simulate that using common houshold items herp derp... Finally we can complete this clasification as quickly as possible and return to our business of preventing you doing yours here.

Sincerely,

Unaccountable civil servant #1138
 
I agree that the RCMP should do their own testing. But I wonder why FN Belgium does not response also. If FN just play along with the game it will be classified sooner, no matter what the classification will be.
 
I suspect FN feel that they don't need to spend too much time on this as they don't plan to sell the SCAR in Canada. They probably feel this second rate civil servant is on a fishing trip. That he wants to know proprietary information regarding the full auto model that he has no business knowing as it is not the firearm in question.
 
Anybody have any contacts at FN? Perhaps writing to FN would get some movement on the issue, as the RCMP appear to be waiting for FN.
 
really whats the difference about the end user it is basically an ar 15 copy jazzed up a bit. Lots of plastic on it and its got rail bro. I cannot see it being a great improvement over an ar
 
tactical pete said:
really whats the difference about the end user it is basically an ar 15 copy jazzed up a bit. Lots of plastic on it and its got rail bro. I cannot see it being a great improvement over an ar
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You're right. But it's also non restricted and sought after. Ultimately the ergonomics have been improved a bit and with the piston reliability. But you lose some accuracy ability (An AR can shoot sub .5 moa with the right components) and the dimensions/balance changes. Some of that is offset by polymers.

By the way some pictures of the first SCAR prototype have been leaked. I found these online. :p Apparently it's been in the development stage since 1942.

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A little late to the party but apparently the SCAR even comes in a version (tan) for Rommel.:ban:

All joking aside, I like the SCAR.
 
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Questar said:
We are waiting for RCMP to issue the FRT # so that we can transfer the guns to customer's names. If you had a pre-order in place then you will have already received details on the situation and your order.

If you did not receive an email then you did not have an order placed.

We were able to import to Canada (before the export permit expired) enough SCAR's that we can fill all of the confirmed pre-orders we had.

US State Department has denied the renewal permit we submitted for SCAR's (specifically stated in the permit that the permit DOES NOT APPROVE THE EXPORT OF SCAR FIREARMS for commercial end-users).

Mark
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so once these pre-order SCARs are dried up, there will be no way of getting a SCAR in canada?
 
Donster 125 said:
so once these pre-order SCARs are dried up, there will be no way of getting a SCAR in canada?
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Not necessarily. I seem to recall a time when the PS90 was on the no-fly list as well. Eventually it was allowed to come back in.

My personal opinion is that the State Department will lift export restrictions soon on the SCAR.
 
Donster 125 said:
so once these pre-order SCARs are dried up, there will be no way of getting a SCAR in canada?
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Don't forget. That was the Reason given that day for that specific permit.

Someone else might put in an application 3 months from now and it might get an o.k.

Lots of 'The sky is falling' threads the last few years.

And...if there is a shortage, the price stays high.
 
Dumantepe said:
Aren't these made in Europe?
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Nope. I think prototyping and production development was done in Belgium, but full scale production of the 5.56 SCAR is in the US, for a number of reasons. But since the US mil has wholly passed on the 5.56 SCAR, I think it's possible that production will be moved back to Europe just so FN can sell them in places other than the states and maybe recoup some R and D costs. I have no concrete evidence that this will happen, it's just what I'd do, if I ran FN.
 
I was under the impression that the SCAR 16s was built in Herstal and modified in the US to meet US requirements. The military variant the scar-l is built in the States.
 
When I talked to the FN reps about it at SHOT a couple years ago, they told me that initial production was in Belgium but was being moved the States for full scale production. At this time they still expected lots of SOCOM orders. If recall correctly the version I was holding during the conversation was select fire, so it is certainly possible that you are correct.
 
Just putting this out there, as I've been waiting over a year for my SCAR... but having read this thread, the on-going threads on the Black & Green Rifle section, and private member group, is there something Questar could do to reinitialize the stalled discussions between the RCMP and FN? Perhaps do some reconnaissance, gather available background information, and provide a submission to the RCMP from various sources confirming that it can't be converted to a full-auto rifle? Or better yet, would there be a way to contact FN directly and request a letter confirming that the gun cannot be converted to full auto? Given that Questar is currently sitting on a number of SCARs, it would seem that they would have the greatest pull in trying to get FN to provide some customer service.

I used to think I was one of the most patient guys out there, but now even I am getting fed up with the wait. We can all assume that the RCMP aren't going to do their job properly and in a timely fashion, so do we have any other choice but to go directly to FN?
 
This whole SCAR fiasco has been going on for too long.

Seems like the RCMP are putting the fun stuff in the back of their vaults with a "check again in 5 years" tag on'em.

Can't say it suprises me... but oh well. In Canada we miss out on a lot of cool toys.

Luke
 
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